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Something I thought of (baitcast/rod combo [questions])

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So I was looking through YouTube and I thought it was interesting that someone combined a weedless football jigs with craw tackle on the hook. Looks pretty nifty to me and I wanted to try that. 

 

Thing is, I wanted to use baitcaster/rod for crankbait/jerkbait. But is it possible for me to use same baitcaster/rod for the jigs set up as well?

 

 

my plan is to get a Kastking Speed Demon Pro Baitcasting Reel with High speed 9.3:1

 

or

 

Kastking New Royale Legend Baitcasting Reels Elite Series (I think it’s 6.6:1) someone recommended that to me on Instagram. 

 

Combine that with 7 feet 6 Medium Heavy Power Rod. 

 

Would that work? I’m guessing I would add 30 lbs braided line on it. 

 

Im not sure. I really would like to use same single baitcaster/rod for crankbait, jerkbait, jigs combined with craw. Just one pole till I have enough money to get another. Let me know what you guys think. 

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A slower action rod like a crankbait rod isn't going to be ideal for presentations that require a bait to sit and soak. However, if you're using a steady retrieve like a swim jig/chatterbaits/Biffle Bugging/etc, a slower action crankbait rod can work pretty well. 

 

Long story short, a crankbait rod can work in a pinch really for anything, but in the long run, you're going to want a faster action rod for your single hook presentations. 

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These techniques would use 2 rods ideally. 1 for jigs and t-rigs and 1 for crankbaits and jerkbaits. Those techniques are pretty far apart on the rod spectrum. I'm sure you can make it work until you get another rod but these would be best on 2.

 

Jerkbaits and crankbaits - Med power - Mod/mod fast action

Jigs and t-rigs - Med heavy/heavy power - fast action

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You’ll be happier fishing cranks on a jig rod (mh/f) than visa versa. A mod-fast graphite mh could be a good compromise. 

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6 hours ago, Ray Macario said:

That’s different than I thought. I thought it was the reel for different baits/lures. Not the rod. 

It's both. The rod is arguably more important though.

Get a fast action rod. I've caught many fish on crankbaits with a fast action, but can't even work a jig or texas rig with a moderate action rod. 

Fast action rod with cranks >>>>> mod action rod with t-rigs.

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On 4/8/2019 at 8:42 PM, hwright38 said:

It's both. The rod is arguably more important though.

Get a fast action rod. I've caught many fish on crankbaits with a fast action, but can't even work a jig or texas rig with a moderate action rod. 

Fast action rod with cranks >>>>> mod action rod with t-rigs.

Do you have a link for the fast action rod? Idk what’s fast action or mod action. I’m used to medium heavy, medium, etc. 

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21 minutes ago, Ray Macario said:

Idk what’s fast action or mod action. I’m used to medium heavy, medium, etc. 

Your talking power when you mention medium, medium-heavy, etc. Fast, moderate, etc refer to the action of the rod.

There's a section in this article that explains it a bit.

https://www.bassresource.com/fishing/beginner-fishing-rods.html

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A jig rod and a crankbait rod are very different rods. You're also not going to want a 9.3:1 reel for cranking.

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5 minutes ago, Glaucus said:

You're also not going to want a 9.3:1 reel for cranking.

Oh gods no...7.5:1 max for that IMO. Most people will even want a lower gear ratio. A 9.5:1 is something to be used for pitching/flipping/frogging...toss the lure into heavy cover and need to pull the fish out fast before it winds your line around that cover and snaps it.

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I used a MF for crankbaits until purchasing my first 'crankbait' rod.  I've got to agree with DVT that you will probably be happier with a Fast action rod.  And that a MH/Mod-Fast or MH/Med-Fast might be a good compromise.  I'm assuming you don't want to spend a lot of money.  Maybe something like the Fenwick HMG 7'2" Medium-Moderate Fast or an original Tatula 7'2" MHR (Regular action).

 

Also agree a 9.3:1 ratio isn't likely to serve you very well as a cranking reel, and that something like a 7.1:1 ratio would be a better compromise.  I don't know how those good ole boys caught fish on jigs when a 5 ratio was a fast reel.  :lol:

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1 minute ago, new2BC4bass said:

I don't know how those good ole boys caught fish on jigs when a 5 ratio was a fast reel.

It was with great difficulty - prior to this year, all I had for a BC was my old Ambassdeur 500R with a 5.3:1 ratio...man I had to crank fast with that thing.

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I can remember a time when a 5 something to 1 ratio on a fishing reel was considered "high speed".   The reels that I use these days for throwing cranks (square bills, med divers, deeper divers, lipless cranks) are all 5 something to 1.

Just feels natural to me.  For "feel" baits, worm, jigs, etc. I use 50 size Shimano Curados or Chronarchs in a 6 something to 1 ratio.  I have 1 Shimano 70 which I think has 8 something to 1 - IDK.  It is an ok reel but I don't think the faster retrieve makes it all that special.

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6 hours ago, Fishes in trees said:

has 8 something to 1 - IDK.  It is an ok reel but I don't think the faster retrieve makes it all that special.

That's because that 70 in the 8:1 has the same inches-per-turn as a full size curado in a 7:1. Honestly gear ratio should only be a concern if you need cranking power (lower ratios will give you more power). For overall speed, IPT is much more important. Anything over 6:1 to me has diminishing returns as you aren't getting that much faster retrieve, and you lose out on some power if you're fishing bigger baits.

To answer OP. If you buy just about any bass rod in the store, if it doesn't list it's action, it's fast. As someone else already explained, power and action are different measurements entirely. 

As an all around rod, a 7' to 7'6 MH fast action rod with a reel around 25-32 IPT (generally 6:1-7.5:1 gear ratio on a 100-200 size reel. Smaller will have a lower IPT per X:1 gear ratio) will be the ticket. If I could have one rod/reel. It would be a 7' MH/F with a ~7:1 gear ratio (personally that happens to be a Villain 2.0 and a Chronarch 151 MGL).

 

Don't get a 9:1 reel. Especially that KastKing one. Marketing malarkey is all it is.

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Okay. Got a MH fast action 7’ rod. 7.1 reel. It’s a lot better than my old rod now. It’s a diawa revo. I’m pretty happy. I also have 30 lbs on it plus 3/4 test weight. It went a bit further than my old plueuger Templar. My new reel has magnet brake. I set it full and play with my brake till drop perfectly. I’m gonna practice with it till my magnet brakes get to 0. I’m pretty happy with it now. :) 

 

thank you guys. Hopefully I’ll be able to catch some bass with jigs. 

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