16 minutes ago, Russ E said:

The zero sensitivity is simply not true. 

It is true, on a tightline braid is more sensitive than mono or fluorocarbon.

On a slack or semi slack line braid has the zero sensitivity. In this instance fluroo is best, mono second, braid is a distant third. 

On most vertical baits. Jigs, Texas rig, wacky rig, etc.  The line is often partially slack as the bait falls.

Agree to disagree

 

21 hours ago, Johnpenguin said:

I don’t understand?

If 2lb heavier line would have kept a fish from snapping your line, your drag is way too tight. 

On 2/21/2020 at 1:58 PM, Johnpenguin said:

I’m going to try it out. Hopefully I don’t lose fish because of the 2lb difference.

   There is no 2 lb. difference. That's what we've been trying to tell you.

   It's all just rating hype. There is no "government standard". Some manufacturers take 15 lb. line and sell it as 10 lb. line, knowing that some people will say, "Wow! This is the best and strongest 10 lb. line I've ever seen!"  People who fish constantly know how lines react, and they know the practical ways to find out what the line characteristics are. Those little bits of information are NOT found in a book, or a magazine, or an interview with the marketing director of a line company.

   You find them out by fishing.

   You can find out the basics of fishing from the internet, but the fine details take experience.

   And no, monofilament nylon doesn't have "zero sensitivity". It's less than braid, but it's good enough that it's been catching bass (including record-breakers) for many years.

   So c'mon .....spool up some Big Game, as a leader or otherwise, slap on a lure and let's go catch some bass!     ?????     jj

1 hour ago, jimmyjoe said:

   There is no 2 lb. difference. That's what we've been trying to tell you.

   It's all just rating hype. There is no "government standard". Some manufacturers take 15 lb. line and sell it as 10 lb. line, knowing that some people will say, "Wow! This is the best and strongest 10 lb. line I've ever seen!"  People who fish constantly know how lines react, and they know the practical ways to find out what the line characteristics are. Those little bits of information are NOT found in a book, or a magazine, or an interview with the marketing director of a line company.

   You find them out by fishing.

   You can find out the basics of fishing from the internet, but the fine details take experience.

   And no, monofilament nylon doesn't have "zero sensitivity". It's less than braid, but it's good enough that it's been catching bass (including record-breakers) for many years.

   So c'mon .....spool up some Big Game, as a leader or otherwise, slap on a lure and let's go catch some bass!     ?????     jj

Both statements were supposed to be jokes. I guess I’m never gonna be a stand up comedian 

11 minutes ago, Johnpenguin said:

Both statements were supposed to be jokes. I guess I’m never gonna be a stand up comedian 

 

   Yeah, me too. My humor is off-the-wall, but I learned to use emojis. They help.   ?    jj

11 hours ago, Johnpenguin said:

I started with fluoro and I can honestly say mono is waaaay better as leader material.

Pros like to land their fish?

Mono floats, mono stretches, mono can been seen by the fish better.  I guess I’m at a loss as to why you think mono is better.  The only situation todwhere mono is better is with the Carolina rig where you want the bait to float easier and mono will help with that.

I also started using Yo Zuri Hybrid last year and love it. I have spools of 6, 8 and 10 lb. that make all the leaders I need. 

No expert here with a leader either.  Seldom use one.  But why worry about memory in a leader?  Personally if using a leader, I am worried about abrasion resistance.  From my reading it appears Big Game, CXX and Platinum are excellent in this category.  Also from my reading regular leader material purchased in those small spools ...round 25 yards...is supposed to be even better for use as a leader.

 

Hope so as I took the word of a fellow member and purchased some P-Line Shinsei for my Ned Rig.  I quickly learned fine diameter braid is worthless when it comes to abrasion resistance.  Hopefully this solves the problem.

 

EDIT:  Better work as I could buy a 330 yard of my favorite line for about what I paid or the leader material spool.

On 2/20/2020 at 10:05 PM, Johnpenguin said:

If you’ve tried stren, would you say big game is superior?

For leader material, YES. Abrasion resistance is about the same, but as unscientific as it may sound, for me, it transmits more information back to me. 

On 2/21/2020 at 5:29 PM, APK62 said:

My question is why do most pro's use braid with a leader? 

Because no one type of line gives you the benefits of two lines. Braid is awesome, but cuts easily and freys easily. Fluoro and mono stretch and aren’t close to braid when it comes to sensitivity. Want a line that combines braids sensitivity and the abrasion resistance of mono or flouro, a combination is the answer. 

3 hours ago, mc6524 said:

Mono floats, mono stretches, mono can been seen by the fish better.  I guess I’m at a loss as to why you think mono is better.  The only situation todwhere mono is better is with the Carolina rig where you want the bait to float easier and mono will help with that.

Mono as a leader is very forgiving when you get a fish close to the boat. Knot strength is typically better with mono. Mono visibility really does not matter unless you are in crystal clear water. 

2 hours ago, new2BC4bass said:

No expert here with a leader either.  Seldom use one.  But why worry about memory in a leader?  Personally if using a leader, I am worried about abrasion resistance.  From my reading it appears Big Game, CXX and Platinum are excellent in this category.  Also from my reading regular leader material purchased in those small spools ...round 25 yards...is supposed to be even better for use as a leader.

 

Hope so as I took the word of a fellow member and purchased some P-Line Shinsei for my Ned Rig.  I quickly learned fine diameter braid is worthless when it comes to abrasion resistance.  Hopefully this solves the problem.

 

EDIT:  Better work as I could buy a 330 yard of my favorite line for about what I paid or the leader material spool.

Ya the memory doesn’t really matter 

1 hour ago, papajoe222 said:

Because no one type of line gives you the benefits of two lines. Braid is awesome, but cuts easily and freys easily. Fluoro and mono stretch and aren’t close to braid when it comes to sensitivity. Want a line that combines braids sensitivity and the abrasion resistance of mono or flouro, a combination is the answer. 

Well said

On 2/21/2020 at 6:29 PM, APK62 said:

My question is why do most pro's use braid with a leader? Even all the young guns coming up are using it. Myself I don't care for two knots, it makes tying a leader a time consuming project when your on the boat getting bombarded with waves. Even with a neg rig, you are going to get hung up on rocks, etc. and break off. Never had an issue using straight FC or mono. 

I see the majority of pros in bass and Mlf using straight floruo

4 minutes ago, Chief250 said:

I see the majority of pros in bass and Mlf using straight floruo

?

P-Line CXX in 12 to 15 lbs test depending on what I'm doing.  If I have to go heavier than that, I just spool straight P-ine Cxx 20# or above.

 

I've tried a lot of different lines to include overpriced flouro, and I keep coming back to P-Line.

 

I tie it to braid with a modified Albright knot and then super glue the knot as added assurance...I'm anal like that.

I rarely use more than a 6' leader

6 minutes ago, Patrick Reif said:

P-Line CXX in 12 to 15 lbs test depending on what I'm doing.  If I have to go heavier than that, I just spool straight P-ine Cxx 20# or above.

 

I've tried a lot of different lines to include overpriced flouro, and I keep coming back to P-Line.

 

I tie it to braid with a modified Albright knot and then super glue the knot as added assurance...I'm anal like that.

I rarely use more than a 6' leader

Never heard of something like that

27 minutes ago, Johnpenguin said:

Never heard of something like that

 

   Never heard of what?

   He spoke of 3 things; 1) the P-line,  2) super-gluing the knot, and 3) only using a 6-ft leader.  To which were you referring?      jj

1 minute ago, jimmyjoe said:

 

   Never heard of what?

   He spoke of 3 things; 1) the P-line,  2) super-gluing the knot, and 3) only using a 6-ft leader.  To which were you referring?      jj

Super gluing a knot...

5 hours ago, Johnpenguin said:

Super gluing a knot...

   When I first came to this forum, I benefited from searching the older threads. There were lots of things that I had never heard of. Some of those ideas that were strange then are second nature to me now. It was (and is) a profitable pastime.       jj

11 hours ago, new2BC4bass said:

No expert here with a leader either.  Seldom use one.  But why worry about memory in a leader?  Personally if using a leader, I am worried about abrasion resistance.  From my reading it appears Big Game, CXX and Platinum are excellent in this category.  Also from my reading regular leader material purchased in those small spools ...round 25 yards...is supposed to be even better for use as a leader.

 

Hope so as I took the word of a fellow member and purchased some P-Line Shinsei for my Ned Rig.  I quickly learned fine diameter braid is worthless when it comes to abrasion resistance.  Hopefully this solves the problem.

 

EDIT:  Better work as I could buy a 330 yard of my favorite line for about what I paid or the leader material spool.

IMO you get what you pay for.  There are very good inexpensive fluro line ps out there.  For me, the best is Yozuri top knot.   For me, it has little memory, and you can get a spool on sale for around $10.00.  
 

i use two different knots with fluro and I’ve not had a knot problem.  I use the fish n fool and polymer knot.  Please remember that mono can have memory problems as well.

7 hours ago, Chief250 said:

I see the majority of pros in bass and Mlf using straight floruo

On baitcasters yes

4 hours ago, APK62 said:

On baitcasters yes

But why? 

31 minutes ago, Chief250 said:

But why? 

Easier to handle. No line twist

2 minutes ago, APK62 said:

No line twist

   The first time I used #5 Mepps spinners for a good interval, this became obvious. I like it.

 

   Every line has its advantages and its disadvantages. Ya pays ya money, ya takes ya pick.     jj

On 2/20/2020 at 10:49 PM, A-Jay said:

This in also my leader of choice ~ 

Big Game Green has been making it happen for a long time.

Honorable mention for me also goes to Maxima Ultragreen.

Really strong in every respect; especially down in the 5, 6, & 8 lb tests.

A-Jay

 

Just did a straight strength test between stren and big game of the same diameter. I tested them both 3 times with three yards. Big game had the strongest run(barely), but the average went to stren.