19 hours ago, king fisher said:

no tension FG on U Tube

Looks very good, have to run out and get my braid and leader!  I don't use my mouth but do tie the braid to my belt loops with a reusable "twist tie" and do tension it.  This looks very promising.

 

Lots of other good info in your post too, thanks.

20 hours ago, king fisher said:

no tension FG on U Tube

Tried it. Something is wrong with my method.  The braid just slips off the mono.  it's called the no tension, but are you tensioning each weave as it's made? Pulling tightly the braid that you've just wrapped under then over?  

39 minutes ago, MickD said:

Tried it. Something is wrong with my method.  The braid just slips off the mono.  it's called the no tension, but are you tensioning each weave as it's made? Pulling tightly the braid that you've just wrapped under then over?  

You have to snug each crossing wrap, then hold by pinching between fingers.  You don't need to pull hard just snug.  When you have enough cross hitches, tie one over hand knot, and pull hard.  Finnish knot any way you like, the finish is just to keep the knot from coming undone.  You can get fancy to make it look good or just do some over hand knots.  If it is slipping off, you may not be crossing the line correctly.  It takes some practice. I learned from an Australian Video.  I had to show a deck hand how to tie it many times before he got the hang of it.  Once you do, it is way easier than the standard way of tying the FG.  I tied it for years keeping tension with my teeth, once I saw the video, I knew I was done with that.

14 hours ago, king fisher said:

You have to snug each crossing wrap, then hold by pinching between fingers. 

I was not doing that.  I'll try again, but it seems to me that tying the knot this way is going to be harder and more sensitive to screwing it up than my method with the braid running from my waist to the slightly bent rod.  Which gets it farther away from the eyes and doesn't use the mouth.  Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.  Thanks again. PS  I know I'm making the weaves properly based on experience and studying the video carefully.

That method is not going to work for me.  I cannot manipulate the lines to properly snug up the weaves, so I'll stick with my "tie it in the chair, a little braid tension, braid tied to my belt loops, works like a charm method."  thanks,