Ficious Cycle

I'm trying to determine which rod has the faster action between a St. Croix H/mf and a Shimano/Jackall H/rf. I'd appreciate your inights, even if they're based on different rods or other factors. 1. Which rod is typically faster: a H/mf or a H/rf? 2. Which rod is faster: St. Croix H/mf or Shimano/Jackall H/rf? 3. If your opinion is based on something other than first-hand experience or a side-by-side comparison, what is it based on? Please, let us all know. Thanks in advance for your input and insights! -Edward

[grin] Does anyone see any remaining gaps in the lineup... aside from that BFS casting rod the D**N monkey keeps nagging me about? Let's hear your thoughts. Please share!

@Big Hands Hey, Jeff! [waves!] I'm thrilled to announce that I've secured The One! Even better, it's being paired with an Exist, making for an incredible combination. Exciting times ahead, my friend!!

Yeah, I secured a Steez. It's officially on its way from Japan! @Junk Fisherman @Boomstick A huge thanks to you guys for the advice and input. On another note, I flip-flopped again on the reel for the Ark shallow and mid-depth crank, lipless, and squarebill composite casting rod. I'm back to the Zillion SV TW for that one. As it turns out, the only casting rod that will actually be getting a new Bantam instead of a Zillion is the H/f 7'2" Shimano Poison Adrena B which will be used for flippin', pitchin', skippin', and froggin' in open water or sparse to moderate cover. The Bantam's rigidity and power make it ideal for these techniques and pair perfectly with this Adrena's backbone and sensitivity. And while the H/ms deep cranker, bladed jig, and spinnerbait rod would be well served by the Bantam's rigidity, I think it's best served by a torquey 5-speed. So, that rod is keeping it's Zillion SV TW, since the Bantam MGL A 150 isn't available in a 5-speed. The only other rod in the lineup that, in my opinion, would be well served by the Bantam is the XH, but for those applications, the Zillion HD gets the nod. That's the latest, fellas! A heartfelt thank you to ALL the contributors to this thread. Your insights have been invaluable. And a tip of my hat to bassresource.com. You guys are the best thing that ever happened to my bass fishin'! Thank you, sirs!! @Glenn and company and @Mike L. Does anyone see any remaining gaps in the lineup... aside from that BFS casting rod the D**N monkey keeps nagging me about? 8-Rod Lineup: One cork-handled rod was enthusiastically welcomed into the family ML+/f 7'6" Daiwa Steez AGS "The One" Spinning (2023), 1/16 to 3/4 oz     Daiwa JDM Exist G LT Spinning Reel LT2500S-XH 6.2:1 M/f  7’0” Abu Garcia Fantasista X Jerkbait Casting, 3/16 to 5/8 oz Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 7.1:1 MH/f  7'0" Shimano Poison Adrena B Casting (2024), 3/8 to 1 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 6.3:1 MH/mf 7'2" Evergreen Brett Hite Combat Stick "Showerblows" rod to 1 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 6.3:1 MH/mf 7'0" Ark Invoker Pro Composite Crankbait Casting, 1/8 to 1-1/2 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 6.3:1  H/f   7'2" Shimano Poison Adrena B Casting (2024), 1/2 to 1-1/2 oz     Shimano JDM Bantam MGL A 150 7.1:1 H/ms  7'3" Evergreen Brett Hite Super Combat Stick Composite, to 2 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 5.5:1 XH/mf 7'8" Evergreen Brett Hite Combat Stick "Wake Bait" Casting, to 4 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion TW HD 7.1:1

@Junk Fisherman Thank you very much, Junk Fisherman~ 8-Rod Lineup: One cork-handled rod was enthusiastically welcomed into the family ML+/f 7'6" Daiwa Steez AGS Spinning (2023), 1/16 to 3/4 oz     Shimano Twin Power C3000 (2025) 6.4:1 or Vanford 2500 5.8:1 M/f  7’0” Abu Garcia Fantasista X Jerkbait Casting, 3/16 to 5/8 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 7.1:1 MH/f  7'0" Shimano Poison Adrena B Casting (2024), 3/8 to 1 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 6.3:1 MH/mf 7'2" Evergreen Brett Hite Combat Stick Showerblows rod to 1 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 6.3:1 MH/mf 7'0" Ark Invoker Pro Composite Crankbait Casting, 1/8 to 1-1/2 oz     Shimano JDM Bantam MGL A 150 6.2:1  H/f   7'2" Shimano Poison Adrena B Casting (2024), 1/2 to 1-1/2 oz     Shimano JDM Bantam MGL A 150 7.1:1 H/ms  7'3" Evergreen Brett Hite Super Combat Stick Composite, to 2 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 5.5:1 XH/mf 7'8" Evergreen Brett Hite Combat Stick Casting, 1/2 to 4 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion TW HD 7.1:1

Update: I’ve been thinking about the comments from @Junk Fisherman@Brian11719 @BrianMDTX @Big Hands @Boomstick @rangerjockey who suggested that a ML spinning rod is a must-have in the lineup. And @webertime I would love to hear your take on this, sir, when you have a moment. I appreciate all the feedback and the discussion. I'm certainly not dismissing anyone’s advice. On the contrary, I value it. That’s why I’m taking the time to revisit this topic and dig a little deeper into my reasoning. Here’s where I’m coming from: I suspect that when anglers have said I “need” a ML rod, their focus has been mostly on the rod’s power rating, rather than its lure rating. The way I see it, what really matters for finesse applications is the lure rating, not just the power label. The fact that the rod is a medium power with a lure rating starting at 1/8 oz is actually a plus. If I’m off base here, I’m happy to be corrected. The medium gives me more backbone for hooksets and for handling light cover, while still letting me fish all the finesse techniques I use: shaky heads, Neds, Nekos, dropshots, wacky rigs, light moving baits, and so on. I also want to reiterate something I mentioned earlier, because I think it’s a key detail that might get overlooked. Most medium power spinning rods are rated for lures starting at 1/4 oz or even heavier, which can make them less than ideal for true finesse techniques. So, when anglers saw “medium” in my initial post, they may have overlooked that this particular medium has a rare lure rating and that it is, in fact, quite capable of accommodating finesse presentations. The rod I chose is an exception. It’s a medium, but it’s rated all the way down to 1/8 oz. That’s pretty rare for a medium, and it’s the main reason I feel confident that I can use it for all my finesse applications. I get the benefit of that lower lure rating for lighter baits, plus the extra backbone and versatility that comes with a medium power rod for hooksets and for finesse fishing around cover. In my opinion, this rare feature provides a double blessing… a happy coincidence, if you will, that creates a win-win situation. What sets this rod apart is the way it’s engineered to handle finesse baits, despite being a medium power. The Daiwa Tatula Elite AGS 7'1" M/f spinning rod (2023) features the SVF Nano-Plus blank, which uses less resin and more high-density carbon to create a rod that’s both lighter and more sensitive than most. The AGS carbon fiber guides are another standout. They’re lighter than traditional guides and transmit vibrations more efficiently, so you can feel even the subtlest bites. Paired with the rod’s fine-tuned fast action and a responsive, supple tip, these features allow for controlled, accurate casting of light lures. The tip loads easily with minimal weight, helping you launch finesse baits with precision. Meanwhile the blank’s backbone kicks in quickly for solid hooksets and control around cover. In short, the rod’s thoughtful engineering means you don’t have to sacrifice sensitivity or casting accuracy just to get the extra power and versatility of a medium. Brilliant! I totally get that for some anglers, especially those fishing super light baits or ultra-clear water, a ML rod makes sense. But for my fishing, the lure rating should be the key… and therefore the deciding factor, in my opinion. Thanks again to everyone who’s chimed in. I really value the discussion and different perspectives. If anyone wants to elaborate on specific scenarios where a ML rod truly outperforms this medium with a low, 1/8 oz lure rating, I’d love to hear about it… I welcome it. Thank you! I’ll admit, I’m a little obsessed with getting this right, but that’s just because I really value the collective wisdom here... and honestly, I’m in the last quarter. So, I want nice gear. I owe it to myself. And I want to get this lineup right. Looking forward to your thoughts! 8-Rod Lineup M/f  7'1" Daiwa Tatula Elite AGS Spinning (2023), 1/8 to 1/2 oz     Shimano Twin Power 3000 (2025) 6.4:1 or Vanford 2500 5.8:1 M/f  7’0” Abu Garcia Fantasista X Jerkbait Casting, 3/16 to 5/8 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 7.1:1 MH/f  7'0" Shimano Poison Adrena B Casting (2024), 3/8 to 1 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 6.3:1 MH/mf 7'2" Evergreen Brett Hite Combat Stick Showerblows rod to 1 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 6.3:1 MH/mf 7'0" Ark Invoker Pro Composite Crankbait Casting, 1/8 to 1-1/2 oz     Shimano JDM Bantam MGL A 150 6.2:1  H/f   7'2" Shimano Poison Adrena B Casting (2024), 1/2 to 1-1/2 oz     Shimano JDM Bantam MGL A 150 7.1:1 H/ms  7'3" Evergreen Brett Hite Super Combat Stick Composite, to 2 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 5.5:1 XH/mf 7'8" Evergreen Brett Hite Combat Stick Casting, 1/2 to 4 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion TW HD 7.1:1

@rangerjockey I appreciate the feedback. Thank you, sir. I will explain my reasoning for both the H rods and the XH in my lineup, as well as my decision to stick with a single spinning rod, at least until someone kindly points out specific scenarios where my intended 1/8 to 1/2 oz spinning rod falls short. I know a lot of anglers prefer different setups, so here’s my thought process. When it comes to heavy and extra heavy rods, each one in the lineup has a specific purpose, and the differences in power and action are intentional, not redundant. My XH/mf (7'8") is my dedicated big bait and heavy cover rod. It’s the only rod I own that can safely and effectively throw big swimbaits, glidebaits, wakebaits, and handle punching in thick mats or truly gnarly cover. When you’re targeting big bass or fishing heavy vegetation, you need the backbone that only an XH rod provides. No lighter rod will do that job safely or efficiently. The H/f (7'2") is built for close-quarters power fishing: skipping, flipping, pitching, and also frogging in sparse to moderate cover. The shorter length and fast action give me the quick, powerful hooksets and accuracy needed for techniques like skipping jigs under docks or pitching to laydowns. It will also be my go-to for open water or lighter cover frog fishing, where my XH would be overkill. Then there’s my H/ms (7'3"), which is purpose-built to excel as a dedicated bladed jig rod. That’s its primary purpose, and it excels with bladed jigs, giving just the right blend of power and flex for those baits. Through its use, I’ve found it also performs exceptionally well for other moving bait techniques like deep cranking and spinnerbaits. The moderate-slow action is key for keeping fish pinned on treble hooks and absorbing head shakes. While my Ark or the MH/f Poison Adrena could technically cover these techniques, the H/ms is purpose-built for bladed jigs and truly excels there, while also handling deep-diving crankbaits and heavy spinnerbaits better than my other rods. That combination of specialized design and real-world versatility is what makes it such a standout in the lineup. In short, each of these rods fills a distinct role. The XH is for the heaviest applications, big baits, and the thickest cover. The H/f is for power techniques, open water, and sparse or moderate cover. The H/ms is a moving bait specialist. This isn’t duplication. It’s matching rod design to technique for maximum effectiveness. As for spinning rods, I know many anglers carry several, but here’s why I’ve chosen to stick with just one for now, until someone steps up to enlighten me: The 1/8 to 1/2 oz M/f spinning rod covers the vast majority of finesse techniques I actually use: drop shots, Ned rigs, shaky heads, tubes, small swimbaits, wacky rigs, and more. This medium powered rod has enough backbone for light cover and solid hooksets, and the fast action gives me the sensitivity and control I want. What am I missing by not carrying more spinning rods? If I wanted to throw micro-baits (1/32 to 1/16 oz) for panfish, trout, or super-finicky bass, a dedicated ML or L rod might be better. But for my bass fishing, this is a rare scenario. The 1/16 oz ML rod in the improved Tatula Elite AGS series of 2023 tops out at 5/16 oz, which can be limiting once you add the plastic's weight, or if I want to fish heavier finesse rigs… or if you want more power for hooksets or to fish around cover. Some anglers want a rod for every finesse technique, but unless you’re fishing tournaments or pressured lakes, one well-chosen spinning rod with a wide lure rating such as this one that goes down to 1/8 oz, is probably more than adequate, I think. As far as I can tell, even the lightest finesse hair jigs, light shaky heads, Ned rigs, and Neko rigs, will reach that 1/8 oz mark once you add the weight of the plastic. Tournament anglers or guides often carry multiple spinning rods to save time and maximize efficiency, but for me, retying isn’t a big deal, and I haven’t yet felt the need for more than one finesse setup. The way I see it, having one rod with braid-to-fluoro and another with straight fluoro is a luxury, not a necessity. This single 1/8 to 1/2 oz rod can handle all these setups with a quick leader change, and the ones that slightly exceed its rating can be thrown on the M/f baitcaster which is lure rated a little heavier. There are concrete reasons to add more spinning rods, like if you consistently fish multiple finesse techniques in a single outing and want to avoid retying, or if you fish ultra-clear, pressured waters where the difference between ML and M power or line type really matters. Maybe you want a backup in case of breakage or line failure, or you target multiple species that require lighter rods. For my fishing style and waters, none of these are regular needs. If I ever find myself limited or if someone will kindly step up to enlighten me on where specifically this rod is lacking, I’ll adjust as needed, but so far, I think that single spinning rod will nicely cover everything I throw. I’m not against carrying more rods if my fishing style or local waters demanded it. But the way I see it, every rod in the lineup has a clear, justified role. If I fished tournaments, where speed matters, I'd be more inclined to have multiple spinning rods with different lures or techniques tied on and ready to go. 8-Rod Lineup M/f  7'1" Daiwa Tatula Elite AGS Spinning (2023), 1/8 to 1/2 oz     Shimano Twin Power 3000 (2025) 6.4:1 or Vanford 2500 5.8:1 M/f  7’0” Abu Garcia Fantasista X Casting, 3/16 to 5/8 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 7.1:1 MH/f  7'0" Shimano Poison Adrena B Casting (2024), 3/8 to 1 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 6.3:1 MH/mf 7'2" Evergreen Brett Hite Combat Stick Showerblows rod 3/8 to 1 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 6.3:1 MH/mf 7'0" Ark Invoker Pro Composite Crankbait Casting, 1/8 to 1-1/2 oz     Shimano JDM Bantam MGL A 150 6.2:1  H/f   7'2" Shimano Poison Adrena B Casting (2024), 1/2 to 1-1/2 oz     Shimano JDM Bantam MGL A 150 7.1:1 H/ms  7'3" Evergreen Brett Hite Super Combat Stick Composite, up to 2 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 5.5:1 XH/mf 7'8" Evergreen Brett Hite Combat Stick Casting, 1/2 to 4 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion TW HD 7.1:1

Update: Now, to the spinning rod. This is where I’ve floundered the most. My first instinct was to go with the lightest lure rating in the Tatula Elite AGS series, 1/16 oz. But the problem is, with a top rating of only 5/16 oz, once you add a bait to the sinker, many rigs will exceed the rod’s max rating, putting it at risk of breaking. That’s why I initially chose the 1/8 oz M/f instead. Some fellow forum members suggested I should get a ML, so I changed my mind a few times. Here’s my conclusion after days of back and forth: I’m unlikely to throw anything with a total weight under 1/8 oz, so a rod rated down to 1/16 oz isn’t necessary for my style. The 1/16 oz ML rod tops out at 5/16 oz, which can be limiting if I want to fish heavier finesse rigs or need more power for hooksets and cover. Besides, the difference is only 1/16. Let's be realistic... and while 1/16 is the lowest in that series of rods, most of the ML rods have a minimum rating of 3/16, which is heavier than the 1/8 oz rating I initially chose. Most M/f spinning rods on the market actually have a minimum lure rating of 1/4 oz. While there are a few with lighter minimum ratings, they are the exception rather than the rule. The M/f spinning rod I have chosen is just as light or lighter at the low end than nearly all other medium-powered rods available, which makes it stand out for finesse versatility. The 7'1" M/f (1/8–1/2 oz) covers the widest range of finesse techniques I’ll realistically use, from finesse staples like lighter drop shots, Ned rigs and shaky heads up to tubes and even small swimbaits. Its lower rating of 1/8 oz means it can handle the light end of finesse, while the upper rating gives me room for heavier presentations. Daiwa’s Tatula Elite AGS 7'1" M/f "dropshot rod" is specifically engineered with a sensitive tip and well-balanced blank to fish lighter than most “Medium” power rods, making it uniquely capable at the lighter end. What I have since learned is that this rod is known for its ability to “punch below its weight,” so to speak, and perform well with true finesse baits. This choice avoids redundancy with my M/f casting rod, which covers the heavier end of the spectrum, and gives me a spinning rod that can do almost everything finesse-related, without being too specialized or fragile, especially around cover. The Medium power gives me more authority for solid hooksets and fishing around light cover, which are important advantages over a true ML rod. So, after all the back and forth, I’m going back to what I started with: a 1/8 to 1/2 oz lure-rated spinning rod. It just happens to be a Medium power, which will excel on my hooksets and around cover, and give me the most versatile finesse setup for my needs. At the end of the day, I want a spinning rod that performs reliably on the water, and this one checks all the boxes. Unless someone can specifically highlight where the 1/8 to 1/2 oz M/f spinning rod falls short, it remains my top choice... despite all the back and forth I’ve had over my spinning rod selection. Edit: For completeness, I'm adding the true MH/mf back onto the lineup even though I may not purchase it until after I buy a boat... perhaps an entry-level one as was suggested, rather than waiting for the boat I really want. This has been lingering on my mind because, deep down, I know it belongs on the lineup, in spite of my not currently owning any larger jerkbaits or 1 oz spook-type baits. This ensures my prospective lineup is well-rounded and ready for whatever I want to try next on a true non-glass/composite MH/mf. So, we're back to an 8-rod lineup, folks! The other thing I want to address is the suggestion to have a second MH/f jig and Texas-rig rod. The way I see it, again, until I'm corrected, is that considering each of my quality setups is running me roughly $600 to $800, unless you're fishing at a competitive level or need various setups instantly available, having multiples of the same rod type is probably unnecessary unless you've got money to burn. I'm not inclined to do that without good reason. My sense is that, for most anglers, a single well-chosen MH/f jig & T-rig rod is more than sufficient. I think these approaches leave room for growth without unnecessary duplication or overspending. Additional feedback and suggestions are always welcome! Thanks! 8-Rod Lineup (Pending Feedback) M/f  7'1" Daiwa Tatula Elite AGS Spinning (2023), 1/8 to 1/2 oz     Shimano Twin Power 3000 (2025) 6.4:1 or Vanford 2500 5.8:1 M/f  7’0” Abu Garcia Fantasista X Casting, 3/16 to 5/8 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 7.1:1 MH/f  7'0" Shimano Poison Adrena B Casting (2024), 3/8 to 1 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 6.3:1 MH/mf 7'2" Evergreen Brett Hite Combat Stick Showerblows rod 3/8 - 1 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 6.3:1 MH/mf 7'0" Ark Invoker Pro Composite Crankbait Casting, 1/8 to 1-1/2 oz     Shimano JDM Bantam MGL A 150 6.2:1  H/f   7'2" Shimano Poison Adrena B Casting (2024), 1/2 to 1-1/2 oz     Shimano JDM Bantam MGL A 150 7.1:1 H/ms  7'3" Evergreen Brett Hite Super Combat Stick Composite, up to 2 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 5.5:1 XH/mf 7'8" Evergreen Brett Hite Combat Stick Casting, 1/2 to 4 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion TW HD 7.1:1

Update: After a great conversation with an angler I really respect and subsequent analysis which is too long to post here, I’ve decided to pair the Ark Invoker Pro and the H/f Poison Adrena with a Shimano Bantam MGL A 150 instead of a Daiwa Zillion SV TW. Another insight gained from the angler is that the spinning rod may balance better with the Vanford 2500 but that is yet to be determined. Additional feedback and suggestions always welcome! Thanks! Latest Potential 7-Rod Lineup (Pending Feedback) ML+/f 7'6" Daiwa Tatula Elite AGS Spinning Rod (2023), 3/16 to 1/2 oz     Shimano Twin Power 3000 (2025) 6.4:1 or Vanford 2500 5.8:1 M/f  7’0” Abu Garcia Fantasista X Casting, 3/16 to 5/8 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 7.1:1 MH/f  7'0" Shimano Poison Adrena B Casting (2024), 3/8 to 1 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 6.3:1 MH/mf 7'0" Ark Invoker Pro Composite Crankbait Casting, 1/8 to 1-1/2 oz     Shimano JDM Bantam MGL A 150 6.2:1  H/f   7'2" Shimano Poison Adrena B Casting (2024), 1/2 to 1-1/2 oz     Shimano JDM Bantam MGL A 150 7.1:1 H/ms  7'3" Evergreen Brett Hite Super Combat Stick Composite, up to 2 oz      Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 5.5:1 XH/mf 7'8" Evergreen Brett Hite Combat Stick Casting, 1/2 to 4 oz      Daiwa JDM Zillion TW HD 7.1:1

Another option has emerged after a discussion today with an angler who uses an expansive lineup of very high-end cork-handle rods including over half a dozen spinning rods, mostly NRX+ and Megabass P5, and God only knows how many baitcasters. He’s spent a lot of time with some of the best spinning rods on the market, but after extensive trials, like many of you, he’s now throwing ½ oz jerkbaits like the Vision 110 on M/f baitcasting gear. That got me thinking... Here’s the latest prospective line-up (7 rods), which caps the spinning gear to just one rod, a ML+/f, and adds a medium power baitcaster for jerkbaits and topwaters. *Note: This lineup is still missing a true (non-glass/composite) MH/mf graphite rod, most likely the Evergreen Brett Hite Combat Stick "showerblows" model for larger jerkbaits and 1 oz spook-type baits, which will definitely be added to the lineup after I buy a boat. I'm also open to filling any other gaps that might emerge in the meantime, such as possibly adding a second spinning rod down the road. If anyone thinks the 7'6" ML/f (1/16 to 5/16 oz) would complement the ML+/f rod, or if you otherwise feel that one spinning rod just isn't enough, please speak up. I'm always open to feedback or suggestions. Let’s hear your thoughts, please. Thank you! Alternate Streamlined 7-Rod Lineup (Pending Feedback) ML+/f 7'6" Daiwa Tatula Elite AGS Spinning Rod (2023), 1/16 to 5/16 oz     Shimano Twin Power 3000 (2025) M/f  7’0” Abu Garcia Fantasista X Casting Rod, 1/4 to 5/8 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 7.1:1 MH/f 7'0" Shimano Poison Adrena B Casting Rod (2024), 3/8 to 1 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 6.3:1 MH/mf 7'0" Ark Invoker Pro Composite Crankbait Casting Rod, 1/8 to 1-1/2 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 6.3:1 H/f  7'2" Shimano Poison Adrena B Casting Rod (2024), 1/2 to 1-1/2 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 7.1:1 H/ms 7'3" Evergreen Brett Hite Super Combat Stick Composite, up to 2 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 5.5:1 XH/mf 7'8" Evergreen Brett Hite Combat Stick Casting Rod, 1/2 to 4 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion TW HD 7.1:1

The whole time I was reading through this thread, I couldn't help notice a persistent thought that kept gnawing at me: “HOW can I get one of those?!” - referring, of course, to a young, attractive wife.

I wanted to clarify my situation and thinking as I consider streamlining the proposed lineup. For the time being, most of my bass fishing is from the bank, so I’d much rather lug around six rods than eight if I can get away with it, but I definitely feel more feedback is needed before I decide which route to take. I'm thinking that perhaps I should make a couple of compromises... temporarily, until I get the boat I really want. In the meantime, do I really need to lug eight rods around? Thanks in advance for any input! On the need for a dedicated graphite rod for larger jerkbaits and spooks: I don’t currently throw any jerkbaits bigger than the Vision 110 (1/2 oz), so at this point and after further consideration, I’m not really seeing a need for a dedicated rod for oversized jerkbaits or full-size spooks. While that could change if feedback comes in urging me to purchase those larger baits, my plan for now is to cover the Vision 110 and similar-sized baits with a new spinning setup, the 7'1" M/f Daiwa Tatula Elite AGS paired with a Shimano Twin Power XD FB (2025), which I haven’t purchased yet. The rod’s 1/8 to 1/2 oz lure rating, medium power with a fast action, and high sensitivity, suggest it could be well-suited for average-sized jerkbaits and smaller spook-type baits. It can handle lures down to an eighth, maybe even lighter, so, I feel like it can do triple duty; finesse, power-finesse and jerkbait work. Despite its finesse capabilities, this rod retains the backbone and power of a true medium, allowing me to confidently set hooks and control fish in and around cover. Still, I’d really appreciate some angler feedback before making a final decision! Am I missing out by not throwing larger jerkbaits and spooks? I’m genuinely wondering if it’s worth the expense of a dedicated setup if I were to add those baits, or if I should just stick with rods that match the baits I’m actually throwing now. I understand the benefit of a graphite rod for larger jerkbaits and spooks, especially for those regularly throwing baits over 1/2 oz or who want a crisper action for hard-twitch presentations. Since my arsenal doesn’t currently include those baits, I’m weighing whether or not to invest in them and another new rod and reel for mostly bank bass fishing. Thanks again for any advice or experiences you can share! Alternate Streamlined 6-Rod Lineup (Pending Feedback): M/f  7'1" Daiwa Tatula Elite AGS Spinning Rod (2023), 1/8 to 1/2 oz     Shimano Twin Power XD FB (2025) 6.4:1 MH/f 7'0" Shimano Poison Adrena B Casting Rod (2024), 3/8 to 1 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 6.3:1 MH/mf 7'0" Ark Invoker Pro Composite Crankbait Casting Rod 1/8 to 1-1/2     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 6.3:1 H/f  7'2" Shimano Poison Adrena B Casting Rod (2024), 1/2 to 1-1/2 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 7.1:1 H/ms 7'3" Evergreen Brett Hite Super Combat Stick Composite, up to 2     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 5.5:1 XH/mf 7'8" Evergreen Brett Hite Combat Stick Casting Rod, 1/2 to 4 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion TW HD 7.1:1

The 7'4" M/f, with its 3/16 oz minimum lure rating and stronger backbone (14 lb line rating), is a better fit than the 7'1" M/f, which has a 1/8 oz minimum lure rating and a lower 12 lb maximum line rating. The 7'4" model overlaps less with the 7'6" ML model while offering just as much of a step up in power. It is, therefore, better suited, I think, for filling the gap between the ML true-finesse rod and the casting rods with power-finesse capability. The 7'4" simply makes the lineup more versatile and well-rounded. The latest update: rod 2 is now the 7'4" model with the 3/16 oz minimum lure rating and the 14 lb maximum line rating. Latest Lineup: ML/f  7'6" Daiwa Tatula Elite AGS spinning rod (2023), 1/16 to 5/16 oz     Shimano Vanford 2500 5.8:1 OR Shimano Exsence A 3000 6.0:1 M/f  7'4" Daiwa Tatula Elite AGS spinning rod (2023), 3/16 to 1/2 oz. Shimano Twin Power XD FB (2025) 6.4:1 MH/f  7'0" Shimano Poison Adrena casting rod (2024), 3/8 to 1 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 6.3:1 MH/mf 7'2" Evergreen Brett Hite Combat Stick Showerblows 3/8 - 1 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 6.3:1 MH/mf 7'0" Ark Invoker Pro composite crankbait casting 1/8 to 1-1/2 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 6.3:1 H/f 7'2" Shimano Poison Adrena casting rod (2024), 1/2 to 1-1/2 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 7.1:1 H/ms  7'3" Evergreen Brett Hite Super Combat Stick composite - 2 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 5.5:1 XH/mf 7'8" Evergreen Brett Hite Combat Stick casting rod, 1/2 to 4 oz      Daiwa JDM Zillion TW HD 7.1:1

@Bass Rutten Haha, that darn monkey is never satisfied! I thought I had all my finesse and lightweight bases covered with the spinning gear, but you’re right! I might be just one BFS casting setup away from a “complete” lineup (until next week, anyway). I think I’ll try to hold out, but if a BFS casting rig magically appears in my arsenal... or three, I’ll know who to blame. Thanks for keeping me honest, and happy shopping to you too! Any other gaps, friends?

Update: After sleeping on it, I decided to upgrade rod two for superior sensitivity and lightness compared to the Megabass Levante. This should deliver even better all-purpose spinning performance and better complement rod one’s true finesse capability. I really wish there were a ML spinning rod of comparable quality with a 1/16 oz minimum lure rating that didn’t have a cork handle. While I’ve been set on avoiding cork, I’m warming up to the idea of letting just one cork-handled rod sneak into my lineup. Sometimes, performance has to take priority over handle preference. I’ll just pick up a Magic Eraser for cleaning; I doubt I’ll go the U-40 route unless it turns out to be necessary. So, while rod one does have a split cork grip, it’s the only AGS spinning rod in the Tat Elite AGS series that truly covers ultra-light presentations. Since the improved and more durable AGS guides and its blank sensitivity are my top priorities for my spinning gear, letting a single cork-handled rod “sneak in” makes sense to me. In the pursuit of exceptional finesse sensitivity, the performance benefits outweigh the minor handle material compromise… so, one split-grip cork-handled rod sneaks onto the lineup (without going the NRX+ or Steez AGS route). That's the latest update, friends. Thanks again for all the feedback so far! I really appreciate everyone’s input. If you spot any gaps or have suggestions for further tweaks, let me know. P.S. The monkey says hi! Latest Lineup: ML/f  7'6" Daiwa Tatula Elite AGS spinning rod (2023), 1/16 to 5/16 oz     Shimano Vanford 2500 5.8:1 OR Shimano Exsence A 3000 6.0:1 M/f  7'1" Daiwa Tatula Elite AGS spinning rod (2023), 1/8 to 1/2 oz. Shimano Twin Power XD FB (2025) 6.4:1 MH/f  7'0" Shimano Poison Adrena casting rod (2024), 3/8 to 1 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 6.3:1 MH/mf 7'2" Evergreen Brett Hite Combat Stick Showerblows 3/8 - 1 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 6.3:1 MH/mf 7'0" Ark Invoker Pro composite crankbait casting 1/8 to 1-1/2 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 6.3:1 H/f 7'2" Shimano Poison Adrena casting rod (2024), 1/2 to 1-1/2 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 7.1:1 H/ms  7'3" Evergreen Brett Hite Super Combat Stick composite - 2 oz     Daiwa JDM Zillion SV TW 5.5:1 XH/mf 7'8" Evergreen Brett Hite Combat Stick casting rod, 1/2 to 4 oz      Daiwa JDM Zillion TW HD 7.1:1