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I am fishing 20lb 832 on my bait casters with 4-5ft of 12lb floro leader. I am snapping fish off on the set, had it happen on a jig bite, a senko bite, and a rage rig bite. Pretty much the same deal all 3x. On the pause I see and feel the line flick, see the line moving away so I know he has it, reel down and set back to my left about 10 oclock and SNAP. I figure using 4-5 ft of leader would take most of the shock out of the hookset, but I lost 3 fish Saturday. Am I too light on the leader? Should I move up to 15-17-20lb? I am not breaking off at the uni knot, I am coming back with 3ft or so of good leader. I was not a braid guy until this year and I really like the 832 but its not worth it to fish braid if my leaders are breaking. I am fishing the leader to stay as invisible as possible so if I go up in size leader is that counter productive? 

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Check your knots carefully to determine just where the line is breaking. You could up the line size , but consider not setting the hook so hard.....You have a no stretch line except fpr the leader, no need to decapitate the fish on the hook set.

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There is very little stretch in that setup, which is a good thing. You just have to adjust your hookset, no need to have a big one with it.

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Also try adjusting your drag back a bit. If you have sharp hooks you should not have to rip them clear out of the water on the hook set.

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I can dig it, honestly I really dont feel like I am using a flippin stick in heavy cover type hookset, but I guess its just too much. The breaks are coming like 2ft from the bait. I had the uni knot and 3 or so ft of leader each time. If you guys spooled up with 20lb 832 what would you have put on for leader? I thought 12 was the right play. 

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Also when I drop the drag back it feel like after I set the hook the 1st 3 cranks or so is just the handle turning not the spool, I hate that.

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What brand of line are you using for your leader?

 

I would never use less than 30 pound on a baitcaster, but if you aren't having any problems with the line digging into itself on the spool, then continue on. I just wouldn't want to use anything that thin personally.

 

I am not a fan of the uni knot on braid to flouro. I tested that vs the Alberto knot with the lines I use and it broke more often than the Alberto below the breaking strength of the line. That was just my personal experience, and I may have been tying it in a manner that allowed the braid to cut or burn the flouro and cause it to break. But, I can say I've never had that problem with the Alberto. 

 

But for senko's and a thin wire hook, 12lb is fine. If you're throwing jigs and texas rigs with thicker hooks, then you should definitely step up the rating.

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I got 3 nice fish on a hack attack swim jig and didnt have an issue, seemed like bc the line was tight when hit the shock was less. 

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What brand of line are you using for your leader?

 

I would never use less than 30 pound on a baitcaster, but if you aren't having any problems with the line digging into itself on the spool, then continue on. I just wouldn't want to use anything that thin personally.

 

I am not a fan of the uni knot on braid to flouro. I tested that vs the Alberto knot with the lines I use and it broke more often than the Alberto below the breaking strength of the line. That was just my personal experience, and I may have been tying it in a manner that allowed the braid to cut or burn the flouro and cause it to break. But, I can say I've never had that problem with the Alberto. 

 

But for senko's and a thin wire hook, 12lb is fine. If you're throwing jigs and texas rigs with thicker hooks, then you should definitely step up the rating.

BPS floro

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Well I don't think that would be the issue either. I would say try another knot first to save some money, and if it stops then good. If not, try heavier line.

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no issues with digging in or problems of any kind, I wound it on super tight with a dacron backing and its been great. Like I said I wasnt a braid guy til this spring and the 832 changed my mind. Handles great, super long casts if I need to, and sensitivity is fantastic. 

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Well I don't think that would be the issue either. I would say try another knot first to save some money, and if it stops then good. If not, try heavier line.

right on.....yeah I am sure its not either end of the knots. The uni is still intact and tight, and I use a palomar on the business end. Looking at the broken end when I get it in looks like a stress break, its pulled thinner, and has a milky look to it. 

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I would think for some reason the line your using for a leader is bad. In theory it should break at the knot I think. Maybe your line got compromised from wrapping on something and it weakened it in that area. Maybe your eye in messed up on the top of the rod and it is marking up your line from casting?

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Right....thought the same....checked the rod out and its all good. Made sure of that....its my 7ft Mojo Bass plastics rod and I cant do without it, lol. You might be right and the spool of floro might be crap. I am going to go up to 15-17 and use more of a sweep type hook set and see how that does. 

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I do it too now and again with 10 or 12 pound leaders. It's the hook set, you just have to back it down a little. no stretch from the braid and vary little from the leader equals a lot of force on that leader, especially if the fish is swimming away from you. Sometimes they sound like a gun shot when they snap

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I would say its is either you line or the hookset... best advise when using floro, is to make sure you reel down far enough to feel the weight of the fish before setting the hook... it sound like you are slack line setting, and the no stretch feature of braid and only a short section of floro is recipe for breakoffs...

 

Mitch

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The 2nd one Sat morn was audible for sure lol, follow up with a blue streak of F bombs. hahaha ahhhh dammit. Live and learn. 

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1. Set your drag @ 4#

2. Do not snap set into slack line with FC.

3. Buy new FC, your line should break at the knot, if it doesn't the line bad or nicked.

4. Try trying direct to your 20 braid, it's only .009 D, shouldn't cause too many missed strike fishing in cover and will break on the hook set unless you don't set your drag.

Tom

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Mitch, they were slack line sets for sure. The ones I caught on the hack attack was on the reel so it was tight line. I might up it to 14 and change the hookset. 

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Tom, tying direct.......I am always so concerned I am not getting hits bc they can see it. I go direct on a jig and pig in cover but nothing else. You tie direct a lot?

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I would say its is either you line or the hookset... best advise when using floro, is to make sure you reel down far enough to feel the weight of the fish before setting the hook... it sound like you are slack line setting, and the no stretch feature of braid and only a short section of floro is recipe for breakoffs...

 

Mitch

Nailed it, that slack line is exactly what the deal is. Reel down to remove slack then set away

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Well, I don't think you should restrict your hookset.  Spool heavier line and make

sure your Alberto Knot is PERFECT. I would suggest #50 Kanzen/ #20 Tatsu leader.

You can still break this if you are hung-up and need to, but you will never break the

line on a hook-set.

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Kanzen eh? 50/20 seems like a beefy set up. I am not opposed to trying it.....have you fished 832? if so how do they compare for you?

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