I'm using a new line, and for the diameter I'm using, the best knot I've found to use for no slippage is a Palomar, or Double Palomar knot. 

 

I've almost always used a San Diego Jam knot. It seems to reduce the amount of line that's left on the tag end. When I tie the Palomar, especially if I'm using a larger form factor lure, there is quite a bit left at the tag end, sometimes almost 6-inches. Is this the norm for this knot or is there something I'm missing that will help reduce the amount of tag length?

If you need 6" of line to tie the knot, the that's what will be left over. I don't know of any line that doesn't take a well tied Uni as well, so that is what I use when I need to tie on a bigger lure. It's that or tie a Palomar to a duo lock snap.

It's normal. Beside, it's never a bad idea to clip off 6" or more of line when retying just because that last little bit gets most of the stress and damage. You're probably helping yourself by doing it that way.

 

-T9

Easiest way to reduce the tag end.....a nice pair of clippers!

I'm using a new line, and for the diameter I'm using, the best knot I've found to use for no slippage is a Palomar, or Double Palomar knot. 

 

I've almost always used a San Diego Jam knot. It seems to reduce the amount of line that's left on the tag end. When I tie the Palomar, especially if I'm using a larger form factor lure, there is quite a bit left at the tag end, sometimes almost 6-inches. Is this the norm for this knot or is there something I'm missing that will help reduce the amount of tag length?

Try out the- through the eye twice 6 turn uni knot. Tag can be very minimal around 1/4". This knot beat the palomar knot head-to-head. I tried both with 6#nanofil small dia and the uni held 50% more weight.

I'm using a new line, and for the diameter I'm using, the best knot I've found to use for no slippage is a Palomar, or Double Palomar knot. 

 

I've almost always used a San Diego Jam knot. It seems to reduce the amount of line that's left on the tag end. When I tie the Palomar, especially if I'm using a larger form factor lure, there is quite a bit left at the tag end, sometimes almost 6-inches. Is this the norm for this knot or is there something I'm missing that will help reduce the amount of tag length?

 

Yeah, that's pretty normal. It sort if bugged me at first, but I'm not bothered by it at all anymore. BTW, I  tie an SD Jam knot 99% of the time anyway. The Palomar only only gets tied for drop shot.

Yeah, that's pretty normal. It sort if bugged me at first, but I'm not bothered by it at all anymore. BTW, I  tie an SD Jam knot 99% of the time anyway. The Palomar only only gets tied for drop shot.

 

I normally use the SDJ too, but I'm testing out a new line (A-Jay and I have commented on it over in the Gliss line review thread) and it's VERY thin and VERY slick. Even a 9-turn SDJ slipped on me twice and I lost lures. Switched to a Palomar, didn't budge.

Use mono ~ It's too cheap to care.

 

A-Jay

 

Edit: sorry - didn't know the OP was talking about the Gliss line - I use a Uni-knot for everything except mono to mono then it's a blood knot. 

 

Never felt that there was excessive waste.

Yeah, that's pretty normal. It sort if bugged me at first, but I'm not bothered by it at all anymore. BTW, I  tie an SD Jam knot 99% of the time anyway. The Palomar only only gets tied for drop shot.

X2. I tie the San Diego jam for almost everything now.

Use mono ~ It's too cheap to care.

 

A-Jay

Berkley Big Game is the only line I use on my casting reels. Spinning gets sniper, but I haven't noticed enough of a difference to switch on casting.

i have been a die hard palomar guy for a while... but i've also started using fluoro a lot more lately and thus have been tying a uni knot quite a bit.  i think i'm starting to like it even more than the palomar.  you should really give it a shot, holds great and isn't that hard to tie.

Well I can't comment on gliss but for braid I either tie a Uni or SDJ

It's normal. Beside, it's never a bad idea to clip off 6" or more of line when retying just because that last little bit gets most of the stress and damage. You're probably helping yourself by doing it that way.

 

-T9

Ditto

Mike

I use to be a palomar for everything guy but not anymore. Now it's a Uni or sdj knot. I know tons of people love a palomar but I think it's a junk knot and the longer you fish the weaker it becomes.

I use to be a palomar for everything guy but not anymore. Now it's a Uni or sdj knot. I know tons of people love a palomar but I think it's a junk knot and the longer you fish the weaker it becomes.

I couldn't agree more. 

I couldn't agree more. 

I really don't know whatr advantage it has over any other knot. I don't think there is one. That it is easy to tie? I mean ya with braid it is but lots of those knots on a mono/copoly would of been questionable for most peopleanbd they probably burned the line. It is just a pita and I don't miss it. Getting annoyed tying it on a bait with trebles and it keeps catching on. Or it was a long bait like a jerkbait and you didn't leave a big enough loop and now your trying to pull it bigger without pulling the tag end out. No thanks.

I know tons of people love a palomar but I think it's a junk knot and the longer you fish the weaker it becomes.

 

So is that to suggest that there is a knot where the longer you fish it the stronger it becomes? Seems like that would be a fair statement of every knot, otherwise we'd never have to retie...

 

-T9

I really don't know whatr advantage it has over any other knot. I don't think there is one. That it is easy to tie? I mean ya with braid it is but lots of those knots on a mono/copoly would of been questionable for most peopleanbd they probably burned the line. It is just a pita and I don't miss it. Getting annoyed tying it on a bait with trebles and it keeps catching on. Or it was a long bait like a jerkbait and you didn't leave a big enough loop and now your trying to pull it bigger without pulling the tag end out. No thanks.

That's why I stopped using it as well. It wastes a lot of a line and is a pain to tie in low light conditions such as early in the morning. To be honest I think the SDJ is stronger than the Palomar (even on mono). My cranking rods have mono and I can break one off with a palomar with not a whole lot of effort but I actually struggle with a SDJ

So is that to suggest that there is a knot where the longer you fish it the stronger it becomes? Seems like that would be a fair statement of every knot, otherwise we'd never have to retie...

-T9

Well of course not. That would defy physics. But a palomar is a actual "knot" things like a uni or sdj are slips. The more you set the hook or apply pressure the tighter it gets as do all knots. But a palomar the lines run across each other and it can dig in. That is probably why it is not recommended for flouro and people break off with it. People are going to tie what ever knot they want to tie. If a palomar is your thing and you have no issue keep at it. I just don't like it anymore. I can't say I have really had tons of failures or issues with it. I have just kinda graduated to better knots.

I normally use the SDJ too, but I'm testing out a new line (A-Jay and I have commented on it over in the Gliss line review thread) and it's VERY thin and VERY slick. Even a 9-turn SDJ slipped on me twice and I lost lures. Switched to a Palomar, didn't budge.

 

Yeah, now that you mention the slippage issue I remembered the one other application I religiously use the Palomar for, Frog fishing! Straight braid with a generous tag end does the trick. It's just been so dang long since I've thrown the frog I almost forgot. Haha. Looks like I going to have to go track down some grass mats!

I'm using a new line, and for the diameter I'm using, the best knot I've found to use for no slippage is a Palomar, or Double Palomar knot. 

 

I've almost always used a San Diego Jam knot. It seems to reduce the amount of line that's left on the tag end. When I tie the Palomar, especially if I'm using a larger form factor lure, there is quite a bit left at the tag end, sometimes almost 6-inches. Is this the norm for this knot or is there something I'm missing that will help reduce the amount of tag length?

To get back to the OP's question of how can I reduce the tag end line. You mention with larger baits you have more tag end with a Palomar knot. That's because you have to pull more tag end line through the eye based on the size of the bait. If you don't want that much tag end then switch to another knot. Since when is tag end length a sin?

I don't like them, but palomars are fine if that's what you want to tie, but in my experience, regardless of the knot, if you worry about saving line your knots will suffer and you're more likely to screw up and have to tie another one anyway. And if you think about it a few inches of tag end aren't much compared to the entire spool. Just do whatever gets you the strongest knot easiest.

just adjust the tag end to be shorter before you pass the loop over the lure/hook. It should help, although there still will be some tag end, but not six inches!

some people may overlook disposing the cut off tag, I know I'm no perfect ever time.

Somewhere along the line I decided that I had to use palomar with braid.  Been doing it  that way since my first braid.  Just watched this

http://www.saltstrong.com/articles/best-fishing-knot-for-braided-line-swivel-hook-lure/

 

Good, simple explanations and videos -- I'm trying the 'improved' uni next time out