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Does anyone have an experience with Berkley Sensation? I have used Stren for years and like it but want to try something else. Stren has a lot of stretch which can be an issue with some things. 

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Haven't  used Stren in a while.

Berkley  sensation  has a lot of stretch  also.  I was having  trouble  on the hooksets due to the stretch. Stopped  used it after several  outings.

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7 minutes ago, mrpao said:

Haven't  used Stren in a while.

Berkley  sensation  has a lot of stretch  also.  I was having  trouble  on the hooksets due to the stretch. Stopped  used it after several  outings.

That's wierd, they bill it as less stretch than traditional mono. 

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Just buy XT or Big Game and be done with it.

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I've used it and tested it against a bunch of other lines, and it does have much less stretch for the same diameter/amount of force than most lines (including Big Game, XT or InvizX). Stren original is one of the more "stretchy" lines on the market. Sensation has considerably less. Otherwise, nothing outstanding about the line that comes to mind, except if you are a line watcher, they make Sensation in a tangerine orange color which is kind of cool. I use it in lighter pound tests for crappie fishing, or as leader material with braid mostly.

-T9

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10 hours ago, TorqueConverter said:

I used Sensi Thin years ago which is a precursor to Sensation.  IMHO, if you want a low stretch mono with good handling, go with a fluorocarbon line like Seaguar Invizx or Sunline Shooter 

Fluorocarbon lines stretch! Oftentimes more than good monofilaments!! Invizx stretches more than many lines on the market. When will this myth go away!!!

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26 minutes ago, Team9nine said:

I've used it and tested it against a bunch of other lines, and it does have much less stretch for the same diameter/amount of force than most lines (including Big Game, XT or InvizX). Stren original is one of the more "stretchy" lines on the market. Sensation has considerably less. Otherwise, nothing outstanding about the line that comes to mind, except if you are a line watcher, they make Sensation in a tangerine orange color which is kind of cool. I use it in lighter pound tests for crappie fishing, or as leader material with braid mostly.

-T9

What would you recommend for a mono? You clearly have more experience with variety than me. Personally, I  don't like straight fluoro on my spinning reels but do use it a lot as a leader on braid.

Stren has served me well and is inexpensive but it's fun to try new stuff.

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32 minutes ago, HoosierHawgs said:

Fluorocarbon lines stretch! Oftentimes more than good monofilaments!! Invizx stretches more than many lines on the market. When will this myth go away!!!

He didn't say fluorocarbons don't stretch....he said low stretch in regards to shooter...to which he is correct. 

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Just now, iabass8 said:

He didn't say fluorocarbons don't stretch....he said low stretch in regards to shooter...to which he is correct. 

Yes but he also said Invizx was a good option for low stretch. Simply not true!!

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Any specific applications? For the longest time (about 20 years) I simply used Big Game for most everything bass. A solid all-around line, though it can get a little wirey in cold weather or if it dries out in hot weather. Used to not come in anything less than 10 pound test. I believe several well respected members of this site have also been heavy users of Big Game over the years. Certainly worth a try if you haven't used it before.

For anything under 10 lbs., I used BPS Excel. Not certain if the formula/maker has changed over the years, but other than lots of stretch, it was a good all around line for the money.

Beyond that, it's been odds and ends just to try specific lines here and there, but nothing so much better than the two previously mentioned that I ever stuck with them.

-T9

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4 minutes ago, HoosierHawgs said:

Yes but he also said Invizx was a good option for low stretch. Simply not true!!

Aside from I guess TorqueConvertor, there probably isn't a single person that has actually used InvisX that would argue it has "less stretch" than most monos. I would assume he was referring to good handling /w InvisX and low stretch /w shooter and just didn't type it out coherently. 

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7 minutes ago, Team9nine said:

Any specific applications? For the longest time (about 20 years) I simply used Big Game for most everything bass. A solid all-around line, though it can get a little wirey in cold weather or if it dries out in hot weather. Used to not come in anything less than 10 pound test. I believe several well respected members of this site have also been heavy users of Big Game over the years. Certainly worth a try if you haven't used it before.

For anything under 10 lbs., I used BPS Excel. Not certain if the formula/maker has changed over the years, but other than lots of stretch, it was a good all around line for the money.

Beyond that, it's been odds and ends just to try specific lines here and there, but nothing so much better than the two previously mentioned that I ever stuck with them.

-T9

Thanks for the input! I've heard good things about Big Game as well. Definitley gonna check it out. Berkley is pretty reputable all around by the sound of it.

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Floro has too many negatives for me,first is knot failure,second is a kink will ruin your whole day.just those 2 negatives make it so ill never use it.stretch is good knots not failing is my main priority.and it aint ever happened yet with mono.

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Big game or yo zuri is all you really need .braid has its place also thats the only thing i would use if i was looking for something differant then mono or copoly lines.

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Agree with T9. Good post. Brian goes above and beyond in his fishing and tackle knowledge.

I use XT, and have been using Sensation some now, for mono's. Been an XT user for a loooong time. I know it and trust it.

A while back -like in the 1980s- XT was very wiry and had reduced stretch. I worked in a large tackle shop and on quiet nights we would test all sorts of things. We found XT to be the lowest stretch line on the shelf. I also found it to be true in fishing it. It would load up (you can feel the stretch come out of a line as it maxes out (I was/am a back-reeler)) and when it broke it gave all of a sudden. I believe the formula has changed since then, as it appears to stretch more. The packaging now says "shock resistant" (or something along that line) which indicates stretch. Big Game is also a "shock absorbing" line and thus likely has some stretch built in.

Sensation is advertised as a "controlled stretch" mono and it does feel that way although I've not tested it. It feels a bit more like the old XT but I haven't had it give all of a sudden when maxed like the old XT did; "controlled stretch" is a good description I think. It's a nice line.

Another thing about XT: It's much thicker than other lines for the "Lb Test" rating on the box. And it breaks at a correspondingly higher load than others. One way to get abrasion resistance is to go thicker. So... 8lb XT is the same diameter -and break strength- as most other 10lbs, Sensation included. Diameter is what counts in presentation so keep that in mind when you purchase. I'd recommend either line.

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Good summary.  Also, as a note, anyone having trouble with quality flourocarbons breaking needs to check their lines for damage, or learn new/better knots.  The improved clinch is my go-to for flourocarbon and I very rarely have problems with knot strength.  uni knots have also done me well.  

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I havnt used the sensation. But I can tell you Trilene XL is smaller diameter then Stren and a bit less stretch with just a touch more line memory then Stren. XT Has even less stretch but you have a little more memory. And a Big Game well it would make good weed eater string. :D 

If your used to Stren, line memory in other brand lines is going to drive you nuts. 

I might also note that in Trilene clear blue floats and green sinks. Dont ask me why. The green is also hard to see if your a line watcher like me.

I use XL for my spinning equipment and XT for bait casters.

 

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13 minutes ago, Insanity said:

I havnt used the sensation. But I can tell you Trilene XL is smaller diameter then Stren and a bit less stretch with just a touch more line memory then Stren. XT Has even less stretch but you have a little more memory. And a Big Game well it would make good weed eater string. :D 

If your used to Stren, line memory in other brand lines is going to drive you nuts. 

I might also note that in Trilene clear blue floats and green sinks. Dont ask me why. The green is also hard to see if your a line watcher like me.

I use XL for my spinning equipment and XT for bait casters.

 

Awesome tips, that's exactly what I wannam know. I spose I could get used to more memory eventually if it means a little less stretch. 

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If I could recommend one line to try it would be Izorline XXX copolymer. It's been amazing. I was getting so fed up with the memory of floro even with line conditioner. Strong, low memory, low stretch, abrasion resistant, and cheap. Braid, floro leader sometimes, Izorline Triple X the rest of the time. 

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The point i was getting at with floro was the nature of floro and knots isnt good you can tie the best knot with floro on a jig and get hung up as soon as the line bends at the knot its comprimised cause it will kink .same as straight line.floro one little bend on a cast hitting a limb etc its comprimised

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I have been using Trilene XT for years and years (and still do). Last winter I gave Trilene Sensation a try as was looking for a more manageable line when the water temperatures are around 40 degrees or lower.

Trilene XT, which has a large diameter for it's "rated" break strength, can get rather unmanageable in cold temperatures. The catch with XT is it way over tests. 10 pound test XT breaks around 18 pounds. I use a lot of 14 and 17 pound test on my baitcasting combos (very strong line).

I gave 14 pound test Sensation a try last winter on my baitcasting gear. While Sensation did perform better in the cold it was not exactly comparing apples to apples. 14 pound test Sensation has a diameter of .014 inches. 14 pound test Trilene XT has a diameter of .016 inches. I would need to drop down to 10 pound test XT to have an equal line diameter of .014 inches.

In my experience going with the thinner line helped the most in cold water. Does Sensation have less stretch than "equal diameter" Trilene XT? My hands tell me it does have a slight edge in that department but not a tremendous difference between the two lines.

 

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2 hours ago, Turtle135 said:

...Does Sensation have less stretch than "equal diameter" Trilene XT? My hands tell me it does have a slight edge in that department but not a tremendous difference between the two lines.

 

Good question. I'm guessing (and that's what it is) that the two lines are comparable in break strength per diameter. This is likely true for all premium mono's. 

XT should have an abrasion resistant coating, which makes it stiffer and may add a bit to the diameter. But at least some part of this is a rating game. I look at diameter first as this has the greatest effect on presentation, then I look at the other characteristics.

BTW: Berkley 100% FC also is under-rated. It's 6# is really an 8#, etc... This was likely done to help allow it to fill the "bass" category it was originally designed to fill, to separate it from Vanish which was a poor "bass" line due it's poor abrasion resistance. But Vanish is a more "manageable" line due to being relatively soft and not being over-rated in labelled break strength.

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Turtle135 said:

...Does Sensation have less stretch than "equal diameter" Trilene XT? My hands tell me it does have a slight edge in that department but not a tremendous difference between the two lines.

Paul Roberts said:

Good question. I'm guessing (and that's what it is) that the two lines are comparable in break strength per diameter. This is likely true for all premium mono's. 

 

 

I've done that test and compared them side by side, and Sensation has a bit less stretch (for the same force applied) than XT does, even though the XT was .0005" thicker. All tests were performed dry. As it turns out, of the 9 lines I tested in that experiment, XT and Sensation were the two lowest "stretchers" of the bunch. Interestingly, they also had the lowest overall percent deformity ("creep") of the bunch after 24 hrs of applied force.

As for tensile strength for the two, I haven't seen them compared head-to-head, and I didn't test that myself. I have seen a bunch of line data over the years, and it seems like a majority of the good, or at least popular lines all tend to fall in the 120k-130k psi range, including brands such as Izorline XXX, Trilene XT, Sufix Elite, Yozuri Hybrid, and Big Game.

One final note. I know frydog62 did a similar stretch test on the two lines (along with a bunch of others), and XT came out as the least amount of stretch among the 18 lines tested (Sensation was 8th). However, if I read his data correctly, XT was also the largest diameter line tested (greater diameter generally = less stretch), and the XT sample diameter was at least .002" greater than the Sensation sample, a pretty sizable difference, relatively speaking. 

-T9

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Thanks for posting that, Brian. 

I guess, for clarity, I assume you were testing like diameters, not labeled lb test.

For everyone's info:

On the box, 10# XT is at labeled .014" diam. 10# Sensation is labeled .011 (like most other 10#'s).

Diameter is number 1, followed by... everything else.

 

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