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That isn't how Ned fished them, though, lol.  Go back to the original articles in In-Fisherman.  I mean, I don't care how you fish them to get bit, but if you're gonna use the guys name...

 

I do like the presentation of the Z-man bait.  I'd definitely stick with my name: poop rig. :lol:

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3 minutes ago, J Francho said:

That isn't how Ned fished them, though, lol.  Go back to the original articles in In-Fisherman.  I mean, I don't care how you fish them to get bit, but if you're gonna use the guys name...

 

I do like the presentation of the Z-man bait.  I'd definitely stick with my name: poop rig. :lol:

 

For the record I never did say "Ned rig" ;)

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Mostly marketing hype...yes, the material has a lot of benefits over traditional plastisol, but the specific aspect and application focused on in the video is but a tiny portion of the reason(s) to use it IMHO.

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8 minutes ago, Fishin' Fool said:

 

For the record I never did say "Ned rig" ;)

 

The video did. ;)

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On a slow straight in retrieve a salted plastisol bait will run more parallel to the bottom, will it stand up no. I have been using less and less Elaztech for my Ned rigging, I like the way the others swim better.

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I have buoyant soft plastic baits I would rather use if I'm going to fish it like a shaky head rig, I would also use a different jighead.

 

Years before the " Ned rig " I have fished a variety of small soft plastics on 1/16 oz jigheads with a small hook including 3" Senkos. 90 percent of the fish that I catch are when the bait is falling through the strike zone. I feel confident that I can catch fish in similar if not better numbers than the Ned rig Zman fisherman . I like the Senko because it's heavy for a small bait so I can cast it far which is critical in the lakes I fish which usually have very clear water .

 

Other baits that works very well on a 1/16 oz soft plastic is a R.I. Smallie Beaver , 3" Yamamoto grubs, Zoom finesse worms and the list goes on . Small soft plastics on jigheads catch a lot of fish including the Zman, that said I see nothing special about it . 

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3 minutes ago, Primus said:

Years before the " Ned rig " I have fished a variety of small soft plastics on 1/16 oz jigheads with a small hook

 

My grandfather taught this to me when I was around 10.  He called it a jig worm.  We'd sometimes change the length of the Jellyworm if we though they were nibbling the tails.  I don't think that's what was happening, now.  I think we were probably always getting bit by sunnies, and the change in profile was what the bigger bass wanted.  Glad you brought them up.  I'm sure the jigworm was part of the inspiration of Ned rig.

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Slightly off topic, but the whole problem here is use of the terms involved. When only locals in the area (KS/MO) coined the term and referred to "Ned rig," everyone still knew what they meant. The overall people "in the know" was still relatively small. Then Zman capitalized on the term via their marketing and their specific baits/plastic and jig heads, and everything went to hell. Jig worms, soft plastics on jig heads, etc. have been around for a long time. Ned's resurrection of the old tactics, adapted to his local waters where many of the tactics and techniques originated, is called "Midwest Finesse." Most 'Ned rig' stuff you read and watch now actually has very little to do with what Ned developed and practices. It really has become two entirely separate entities, with most people only knowing the marketed version of the story/technique/bait 

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1 hour ago, J Francho said:

That isn't how Ned fished them, though, lol.  Go back to the original articles in In-Fisherman.  I mean, I don't care how you fish them to get bit, but if you're gonna use the guys name...

 

I do like the presentation of the Z-man bait.  I'd definitely stick with my name: poop rig. :lol:

 

100% correct!!!!! It wasn't until 2006 when Ned met KVD who gave him a bag of Strike King Zeros to try that the Elaztech material was introduced to that rig. Another neat fact is that is isn't the buoyancy that the purists like, it is the fact of how long they last. As J Francho said, they aren't fished in the manner that the video shows, they are normally slowly reeled above bottom, just ticking the bottom, or up high in the water column.  BTW, I like the name "poop rig", for years we fished a half of a Senko on 1/16oz ball head jigs and we call it the "dog turd".

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7 minutes ago, Team9nine said:

Slightly off topic, but the whole problem here is use of the terms involved. When only locals in the area (KS/MO) coined the term and referred to "Ned rig," everyone still knew what they meant. The overall people "in the know" was still relatively small. Then Zman capitalized on the term via their marketing and their specific baits/plastic and jig heads, and everything went to hell. Jig worms, soft plastics on jig heads, etc. have been around for a long time. Ned's resurrection of the old tactics, adapted to his local waters where many of the tactics and techniques originated, is called "Midwest Finesse." Most 'Ned rig' stuff you read and watch now actually has very little to do with what Ned developed and practices. It really has become two entirely separate entities, with most people only knowing the marketed version of the story/technique/bait 

 

You forgot to mention, you have to match your Ned Rig to your socks and shirt, or you're violating the rules! :ph34r:

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All I know is out on St Clair it works well with a drift a drag style which I assume would allow the TRD worm to float up. You would think it would work well in the St Lawrence river too. 

 

Disclaimer- KVD if you're reading this post turn back now it's past the no information date for the St Clair event ;)

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25 minutes ago, J Francho said:

 

You forgot to mention, you have to match your Ned Rig to your socks and shirt, or you're violating the rules! :ph34r:

 

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:lol:  :P  :lol:

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If you guys want to use a senko, why not try the pro version. They are 6.75" and they have less salt for shaky head use. 

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In 2 weeks this topic will be mute as Fall brings the topic of " what color top water do you use"

 

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4 minutes ago, NHBull said:

In 2 weeks this topic will be mute as Fall brings the topic of " what color top water do you use"

 

Pink... sometimes purple, depends on my mood...

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1 hour ago, NHBull said:

In 2 weeks this topic will be mute as Fall brings the topic of " what color top water do you use"

 

 

Clear counts as color ?

 

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1 hour ago, Raul said:

 

Clear counts as color ?

 

Only if you got 20/20 vision

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Its funny how much conversation and controversy there is with the humble midwest finesse technique(aka. the Ned rig).   

Here in northeastern Kansas it has to be the most popular bait for Bass fishing. The Kansas City Kansas Cabelas is nearly always sold out of TRDs, Zinkerz, and Shroomz heads.

nearly everyone I talk to at the local lakes ask if I was using the Ned Rig. They often seem surprised when I tell them no.

I do use it frequently, when the fishing is slow, but it is by no means the only technique I use.

 

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I'm going to cut up some Grande Bass Air Tail Rattlers. I know they stand up on a shakey head. Plus you can insert a rattle if wanted.

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Get some Gopher tackle heads.  They are really nice and priced right.  I have been successful with a variety of baits as a "tail" for the Ned Rig.  They all seem to work.  

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Isn't Ned rigging just a 21st century name for what we knew as Charlie Brewer do nothing technique 30 years ago.  Enlighten me, Team 9.

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It seems like many of the popular techniques cycle back. Apparently spybaiting is some technique that was called something different 20 years ago.

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Slider vs. Ned

 

There are some similarities, of course, but also differences (jighead design, hook size, weedlessness, retrieve style, overall presentation, bait varieties, etc.). See if the story in the link helps some. A lot of this is regional variations based upon water types.

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9 minutes ago, Team9nine said:

Slider vs. Ned

 

There are some similarities, of course, but also differences (jighead design, hook size, weedlessness, retrieve style, overall presentation, bait varieties, etc.). See if the story in the link helps some. A lot of this is regional variations based upon water types.

Thanks for this link. I used a slider head with a Zoom finesse worm (Junebug) for the 1st time during post spawn and it was instantly love at first sight. 

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