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Is there an SV spool to fit a Tatula 200HD?

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I bought a Tatula 200HD to use as a swimbait reel.  I'm having some trouble getting it dialed in just right.  Does anyone know if there is an SV spool that will fit the 200HD while maintaining the line capacity of the original spool?

 

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Dave

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Did you set this reel up like a normal baitcaster or did you use the method required when a magforce z braking system is present. 

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The 200 does not have Magforce Z.  It is a fixed inductor reel and will cast like a Lexa, Laguna, Black Max ect.  The additional line capacity came at the cost of the Magforce Z mechanism.  Whike there is no SV spool option there is a high capacity Magforce Z spool that will fit this reel.  The Tatula 153 spool.  It does not hold as much line as the 200 spool but will hold more that a regular Tatula spool.  

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1 minute ago, BaitFinesse said:

The 200 does not have Magforce Z.  It is a fixed inductor reel and will cast like a Lexa, Laguna, Black Max ect.  The additional line capacity came at the cost of the Magforce Z mechanism.  Whike there is no SV spool option there is a high capacity Magforce Z spool that will fit this reel.  The Tatula 153 spool.  It does not hold as much line as the 200 spool but will hold more that a regular Tatula spool.  

Good to know. Glad I didn't lead someone in the wrong direction. 

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What line, rod and baits are you using the reel with? I've got one I use for 1-4 oz hard swimbaits with 20lb Pline PF and I wouldn't describe it as hard to dial in. Im not sure a new 80 dollar spool is going to fix your problems. 

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38 minutes ago, MassYak85 said:

What line, rod and baits are you using the reel with? I've got one I use for 1-4 oz hard swimbaits with 20lb Pline PF and I wouldn't describe it as hard to dial in. Im not sure a new 80 dollar spool is going to fix your problems. 

I'm using a Dobyns 795 swimbait rod and P-Line CXX 20lb test to throw 1-4 oz baits.  I didn't think it would be too hard either, but I am having more problems than I thought I would.

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1 minute ago, DaveT63 said:

I'm using a Dobyns 795 swimbait rod and P-Line CXX 20lb test to throw 1-4 oz baits.  I didn't think it would be too hard either, but I am having more problems than I thought I would.

Is it backlashing badly or are you not getting the distance you need when casting? I used to use CXX and some line and lure conditioner helped tame it pretty well. 

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It's kind of both.  I start trying to get more distance, and when I reduce the braking and/or cast control, it starts to backlash badly.

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1 hour ago, DaveT63 said:

It's kind of both.  I start trying to get more distance, and when I reduce the braking and/or cast control, it starts to backlash badly.

Did you spoil the line onto the reel properly? Use some line conditioner and let it sit for a half hour then try it out on the water. If that fails, maybe try a different line. Maybe braid? I use to have the same reel and fished it with only braid and it casted great.

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4 hours ago, DaveT63 said:

It's kind of both.  I start trying to get more distance, and when I reduce the braking and/or cast control, it starts to backlash badly.

That's classic fixed inductor braking.  Too much braking at the end of the cast and when you reduce mag dial the reel fluffs up mid cast instead.  I'd be looking at another reel like the Curado K or the 153 spool for your existing reel.  You can try looking at some videos on how guys set up the Lexa  big bait reels.  They have the same braking as the Tat 200 so that might be of help.

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I also have the Lexa 300 as my other big bait reel (for hudds mostly). For both reels though I generally start with the brakes at like 10, and the cast control knob so that the spool has no side to side play. From there I will back off the brakes 1 click at a time until I am confident in casting and not getting backlashes at the start of the cast. If I need additional distance from there I'll back off on the spool tension knob a bit. But on both reels I can usually get 40-50+ yards (big baits, long rods help of course) without too much fuss unless I'm casting fat baits upwind or something. But stuff like slammers and hudds both those reels bomb for me. 

 

The fixed inductor is definitely not as good as the Magforce system on the other Daiwa reels so the other spool I'm sure will help, by how much I don't know. The one @BaitFinesse linked looks like it should still have plenty of line capacity for 20lb CXX though. 

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My brother's thumb wasn't ready for the fixed inductor of the standard Lexa. It's something that you can get used to, but unusual if you're accustomed to Magforce Z. He picked up a Lexa CC300. It uses centrifugal brakes. Much happier now. He has a Curado K. He prefers the Lexa for bigger baits. 

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2 days of practice with a casting plug will be a lot cheaper than a new spool.  Educating your thumb does not cost anything but time and effort.

7 hours ago, BaitFinesse said:

That's classic fixed inductor braking.  Too much braking at the end of the cast and when you reduce mag dial the reel fluffs up mid cast instead.  I'd be looking at another reel like the Curado K or the 153 spool for your existing reel.  You can try looking at some videos on how guys set up the Lexa  big bait reels.  They have the same braking as the Tat 200 so that might be of help.

Why do you feel that a fixed inductor provides more braking at the end of the cast?

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1 hour ago, Heartland said:

2 days of practice with a casting plug will be a lot cheaper than a new spool.  Educating your thumb does not cost anything but time and effort.

Why do you feel that a fixed inductor provides more braking at the end of the cast?

It's not that it provides more at the end of the cast necessarily. It's that compared to the normal Magforce Z system it does. The fixed inductor provides steady magnetic braking throughout the cast as do normal magnetic brakes since the spool position relative to the magnets is fixed. With the Magforce Z you get a large amount of initial braking since the acceleration of the spool forces the inductor closer to the magnets. At the end of the cast the inductor is more or less retracted back and provides little braking compared to the start of the cast, and also less compared to a standard fixed inductor like the Tatula 200HD. Of course the actual force applied is all relative and will depend what you set the brakes to.

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Are you familiar with EMF and the way magforce braking produces its braking forces?   Just curious many do not.  Most magnetic braking systems use a fixed inductor of some type.   The last line of your post really kinda says it all.

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17 minutes ago, Heartland said:

Are you familiar with EMF and the way magforce braking produces its braking forces?   Just curious many do not.  Most magnetic braking systems use a fixed inductor of some type.   The last line of your post really kinda says it all.

The neat thing about Magforce Z is the EMF is variable based on the proximity of the coil to the magnets in addition to spool speed.  This allows the Magforce Z to behave somewhat similar to a centrifugal brake reel in that braking curve is nonlinear.  They brake more as the spool rapidly accelerates then pull away from the magnets at the end of the cast and brake much less.  On a linear mag brake reel the curve of induced EMF over spool speed produces a linear curve.

 

If you were to lay the braking curve of a linear mag brake reel over that of a Magforce Z or centrifugal reel so that the peak brake force overlap you find that as you move down the graph in spool speed the linear mag brake reel would have higher braking than the Magforce Z and centrfuga at those lower spool speeds.  If you were to reduce the braking of the linear mag brake reel so that it matches the braking of the Magforce Z at low spool speeds and follow the curve up, you would find that the peak braking has been reduced and is below that of the Magforce Z.  

 

I used to have these graphs but have lost them.  I got them from TT so maybe the still exist.

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Thanks for all the input!

 

I'm not gonna lie, all the technical talk has me lost!  I'm just gonna spend some time practicing with this thing and see if that helps.  If not, I will try to find a decent Curado 301E.  I know how to set up one of those!

 

 

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12 hours ago, Heartland said:

Are you familiar with EMF and the way magforce braking produces its braking forces?   Just curious many do not.  Most magnetic braking systems use a fixed inductor of some type.   The last line of your post really kinda says it all.

My knowledge of EMF is pretty limited beyond what I wrote in my post and what @BaitFinesse wrote. There is a cool video on YouTube where a guy uses magnetic viewing film to show how the magnetic field changes as you change the brake settings:

 

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Interesting, not what I would have pictured in my head.

 

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I also had issues getting the 200HD to behave. I bought this high capacity reel as a "solo travel reel". Figuring while on a guided bass outing, even if I had a number of snag breakoffs, I'd manage to keep a decent amount of line on the spool. I got very frustrated with "unforced backlashing". Spool control is poor, particularly when the spool is full. Sometimes a lot of spool tension would help - but of course killed casting distance. I ended up getting the Mag Z 153 spool from Hedgehog Studio. That works great! Lost some line capacity, but now happy with the reel. (Yea, it's quite a silly amount of money for the spool, but I already had a lot invested in it. Cork knobs, and hybrid bearings also from Hedgehog. To make it a bit more silly, I'm not a big fan of TWS!).

 

After all this it's still my travel reel, and I enjoy it...

 

Karl

 

 

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