ConnorC Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 Hi all, I am currently working on building a Nfc X-ray C602 Ds 710-1 (7’1” ML) for mostly drop shots and shaky heads but I will probably end up throwing other light lures on it. I’m getting stuck on picking out a reel for it, I currently have a 2500 Kage Lt but I want something higher end. Either would be in a 2500 using 15lb braid to 6-8lb floro leader. If anyone has experience with both or any other recommendations I’m open to anything just looking to stay under 350 Jdm prices. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super User roadwarrior Posted August 6 Super User Share Posted August 6 https://www.digitaka.com/item/5/4/1/4969363045782 $148 USD 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super User Solution bulldog1935 Posted August 6 Super User Solution Share Posted August 6 both good reels, Certate is lighter, Twin Power has the edge on line management, especially with fine braid. Also probably has the edge on keeping that accurate line management longer. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnorC Posted August 6 Author Share Posted August 6 1 hour ago, bulldog1935 said: both good reels, Certate is lighter, Twin Power has the edge on line management, especially with fine braid. Also probably has the edge on keeping that accurate line management longer. How do they compare on smoothness and drag? I know smoothness is subjective it’s just hard when I can’t get my hands on either of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super User bulldog1935 Posted August 6 Super User Share Posted August 6 You haven't mentioned a size. My (JDM) C3000MHG is the smoothest reel I own, and a perfect spool depth for 0.19- to 0.24-mm braid. Drag, stiffness, it's a Beast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super User FishTank Posted August 6 Super User Share Posted August 6 I have both and both are great. I personally like the Twin Power better. It might be slightly smother but not by much. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnorC Posted August 6 Author Share Posted August 6 30 minutes ago, bulldog1935 said: You haven't mentioned a size. My (JDM) C3000MHG is the smoothest reel I own, and a perfect spool depth for 0.19- to 0.24-mm braid. Drag, stiffness, it's a Beast. Either will be in a 2500 more than likely hg or xg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super User FishTank Posted August 8 Super User Share Posted August 8 @ConnorC I took them both out this evening. I caught a ton of fish in just a few short hours on the water. I stopped counting at 20. Most of what I caught were dinks but I did catch a few good ones. For me I think it's still the Twin Power but the fun factor of the 2000 size reel and Megabass P5 Whippet kind of skew my preference. This combo is just outstanding at throwing little paddle tail swimbaits. I have the Certate 2500 on a G.Loomis NRX+ 872S JWR. This setup is nothing but Senko fishing so far. I would also agree with @bulldog1935 that the line lay is better on the Twin Power. Both setups have braid to leader. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super User bulldog1935 Posted August 8 Super User Share Posted August 8 The thing about medium-frame Twin Power, it's not only a beast, it also makes a finesse reel. C3000MHG is a PE1215 spool - 150 m, PE#1.2 - perfect capacity for both bass and inshore. Could make the rod match-up a long story, but looking for an even shallower spool to fit my mid-frame Twin Power, I matched the reel with Vanquish 3000SHG spool (same capacity as 2500S, which would also swap), stacked PE#1 backing with PE#0.6 working line - this came out great. Part of this spare spool choice was remaining stock to fit my '20-series reel - the magnesium spool is also lighter-weight than aluminum spool. The point is perfect line lay result with finesse braid on medium-frame reel and a swap-in spool. One reason I called it done with Shimano worm-drive reels, '19 to '20 models, is the flexibility in swapping spools (I always have a spare in matching frame size). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnorC Posted August 8 Author Share Posted August 8 @bulldog1935 @FishTank One last question, Do either of you notice the weight difference when actually fishing? I’m either going to get the C2500SXG or the 2500SHG. Also is the frame size between those two models that much different? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super User bulldog1935 Posted August 8 Super User Share Posted August 8 C2500 is small frame 2500 is medium frame. @ConnorC - note, there is a significant drag difference between the two reel frames. (small frame uses felt, medium frame carbontex stack). I fish Stradic (large frame and small frame), Vanquish (small frame) and Twin Power (medium frame). Large frame needs a heavier rod to balance, and a favorite rod match is St. Croix Legend Glass. Medium frame and small frame, one-ounce-spread across the reels, can interchange without noticing weight difference, except on the lightest rods (<70 g). Weight difference has never clicked as significant to me, and I don't have a Vanford (new name for Stradic CI4+). Vanquish (magnesium) is the same weight as Vanford (composite), but like Twin Power, is bench-assembled in Japan with technicians matching parts to improve drive smoothness. Vanquish was designed from go to be the ultimate finesse reel, and in a side-by-side comparison, you can recognize the improved drive inertia over Stradic, but even harder to tell the difference against Twin Power. Twin Power was named right, it has everything you gain from forged metal in both body and rotor. I'm sure Certate shares this level of assembly attention, but I also think Shimano worm-drive design (same as Stella) wins an edge. Shimano worm-drive uses labyrinth seals which also improve smoothness, and Certate's edge is both in sealing and light weight. @FishTank has a sweet duo there, and I love the double handle on his Certate model. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnorC Posted August 8 Author Share Posted August 8 56 minutes ago, bulldog1935 said: C2500 is small frame 2500 is medium frame. I fish Stradic (large frame and small frame), Vanquish (small frame) and Twin Power (medium frame). Large frame needs a heavier rod to balance, and a favorite rod match is St. Croix Legend Glass. Medium frame and small frame, one-ounce spread across the reels, can interchange without noticing weight difference, except on the lightest rods (<70 g). Weight difference has never clicked as significant to me, and I don't have a Vanford (new name for Stradic CI4+). Vanquish (magnesium) is the same weight as Vanford (composite), but like Twin Power, is bench-assembled in Japan with technicians matching parts to improve drive smoothness. Vanquish was designed from go to be the ultimate finesse reel, and in a side-by-side comparison, you can recognize the improved drive inertia over Stradic, but even harder to tell the difference against Twin Power. I'm sure Certate shares this level of assembly attention, but I also think Shimano worm-drive design (same as Stella) wins an edge. Thank you that was what I was hoping to hear. I appreciate all your help! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super User FishTank Posted August 8 Super User Share Posted August 8 2 hours ago, ConnorC said: @bulldog1935 @FishTank One last question, Do either of you notice the weight difference when actually fishing? I’m either going to get the C2500SXG or the 2500SHG. Also is the frame size between those two models that much different? I don't feel much difference in weight. The C2000S Twin Power is 6.3oz and the Certate 2500 DH is 7.2oz. The rods I have them on seem to balance OK with them. One note on both of them, the drags seem tight at first, then loosen. So hook sets are immediate. I have actually snapped my leader a few times on each even though the drag is set lightly. Once engaged, both are smooth, with a slight edge maybe going to the Twin Power. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super User bulldog1935 Posted August 8 Super User Share Posted August 8 I probably set differently from most bass fishermen - my reaction sets are light - kinda like "starting" the hook, mostly coming from salt, hooking big fish with soft mouth membrane. Then on recognition of fish-run, I give a couple of solid sets with power and no jerk. I also use medium leader for abrasion resistance, rarely going below 10 lb, and most often 12- to 14-lb. (JDM leader rates breaking strength rather than lb-test). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnorC Posted September 14 Author Share Posted September 14 I ended up going with the JDM Twin Power 2500SHG with 16lb YGK Upgrade X8 and 8lb Super sniper. I finished my rod build this week and am going to test it all out tonight, I will upload some pics later today. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnorC Posted September 15 Author Share Posted September 15 I caught a 1.5lber and a dink on this tonight it handled them both very well and I couldn’t be more pleased. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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