I currently have both a Tatula 300 and Curado 200XGK.  The Tatula is 7.1:1, the Curado is 8.5:1.

 

I have been using the Tatula for my Swimbait setup, however the clutch spring or pinion yoke has failed causing the thumb bar to stick so I’ve swapped it with the Curado. Spooled with 20 lb fluoro.
 

It seems to be doing the trick, just curious how these different metrics translate to better control and speed of the bait. Which of these two reels would achieve this, would an 8 speed 300 sized reel be ideal or overkill for the 2 oz Chad Shad/Bull Shad?

IMO the 300 certainly wouldn't be overkill but the 200 Curado also shouldn't have any problem with 2oz. Both 8.5 and 7.1 should chop and control the bait fine, and I'd just go with whichever reel (300/200) felt better on your swimbait rod.

4 hours ago, NorcalBassin said:

IMO the 300 certainly wouldn't be overkill but the 200 Curado also shouldn't have any problem with 2oz. Both 8.5 and 7.1 should chop and control the bait fine, and I'd just go with whichever reel (300/200) felt better on your swimbait rod.

Unfortunately the 300 felt better, mostly due to ergonomics - balance w the 7’6” Heavy rod and the larger knobs on the handle. I can’t seem to figure out why it continues to fail though.

You're looking at/for I.P.T. (inches per turn).  Ratio only tells part of the story as does spool size.  If you like a glide fished on say a 28 IPT reel then thats what's important.  You can get 28 IPT with a small spool with a high ratio OR a large spool with a low ratio.  

 

Sooo that sized bait I'd stick with a 200 Shimano or 150ish Daiwa.

1 hour ago, webertime said:

You're looking at/for I.P.T. (inches per turn).  Ratio only tells part of the story as does spool size.  If you like a glide fished on say a 28 IPT reel then thats what's important.  You can get 28 IPT with a small spool with a high ratio OR a large spool with a low ratio.  

 

Sooo that sized bait I'd stick with a 200 Shimano or 150ish Daiwa.

So larger reels like a 300, even if higher IPT than my 200 will still give me less input/speed of my chop?

No necessarily less input, but certainly a smaller margin for error or harder to nail that sweet spot.  The other "variable" is you...  you have a tendency to retrieve fast or slow?  The distance between where you hold the knob and your wrist and even how much elbow you use in retrieve. Watch a lot of the swimbait youtubers.  The good ones, you'll see the retrieve is all in the wrist (eliminated variables).  I wish there were a magic answer for you, the bigger reel with a high ratio has a high ipt.  That means the slightest over/under twitch will pull too much or too little very easily. 

The new Tat in 200 size with 7.1 ratio is by far what i'd take for 2oz baits. Add a 100mm size handle on it, and it should be perfect.

A Tatula 150 is about the size of Curado 200M (which are impressive reels) Hate to recomend a new reel, but there are quite a few guys who are throwing bunker colored glide baits at stripers who really like the last gen coastal 200.  The new gen has the 100mm handle, but doesn't have the big round knobs.  The older model holds about 100 yards of #20, I think the newer model has less capacity because a lot of guys are going to braid.    

The Daiwa Tatula Coastal 200 (25) model is a better reel than the previous Coastal 200. There is a thread I started a couple months ago on it. I like the bigger knobs myself but that’s easy to upgrade. 

Use your rod to input glide base action.

 Tom

6 hours ago, WRB-2.0 said:

Use your rod to input glide base action.

 Tom

How?

You are trying to increase a fast 18” or so chop crank but a good rod snap along with the reel crank will move the glide like you are looking for. The Calcutta 300 isn’t a high speed reel at 5.8:1 but does a good enough IPT after casting to perform well. The IPT using 200 size reel drops 40-50% after making a cast, the reel spool capacity is too small.

Tom

^ This.  I fish glides similar to a jerkbait retrieve.  Works well.

Interesting discussion. I have 1 glide bait, a Berkley Nessie. But I don't have much knowledge of how to use it so this is helpful to me knowing I can impart action with the rod too, and not just with the reel.

@Rockhopper what length rod are you using to do that work? 

5 hours ago, WRB-2.0 said:

You are trying to increase a fast 18” or so chop crank but a good rod snap along with the reel crank will move the glide like you are looking for. The Calcutta 300 isn’t a high speed reel at 5.8:1 but does a good enough IPT after casting to perform well. The IPT using 200 size reel drops 40-50% after making a cast, the reel spool capacity is too small.

Tom

I have certainly used the rod in a twitching motion similar to a jerkbait, but only when my kayak spun in an awkward position where I’m sort of forced to. Otherwise I prefer the more controlled cadence I get with my reel.

I can see that fishing from a kayak. I like Irod Jr 7’8” swimbait rod standing in a bass boat and whip the rod tip downwards not sitting in a kayak.

Tom

3 hours ago, F14A-B said:

@Rockhopper what length rod are you using to do that work? 

7'6" and 8' depending on glide size and open water vs. close quarters casting.

2 hours ago, ohioguy25 said:

I have certainly used the rod in a twitching motion similar to a jerkbait, but only when my kayak spun in an awkward position where I’m sort of forced to.

This is the kind of info that matters right off the bat and why I ask people how they're fishing when they pose questions. Many if not most Sitting-in-a-Kayak-while-Fishing-questions won't be answered accurately by people thinking about standing on a decked boat and fishing.

 

My advice: Get the shortest practical rod for the weight you're throwing with the shortest handle you can find. Improvise your chop stroke kind of side-arm. It works with a bit of yak positioning and dexterity the same way one adjusts to skip from a low-seated position versus standing on a boat.

Yeah, I use a 7'2" rod for glides in my kayak.  I have a longer 7'8" with a long handle but that thing has the handle under my arm pit when in the kayak and its hard to chop with the rod.  The little 7'2" Wild Side has normal bass rod proportions but will cast big glides with ease.  

19 hours ago, WRB-2.0 said:

I can see that fishing from a kayak. I like Irod Jr 7’8” swimbait rod standing in a bass boat and whip the rod tip downwards not sitting in a kayak.

Tom

Yeah that was my Swimbait rod for years until I started using this locally made 7’6” Heavy.

18 hours ago, PhishLI said:

This is the kind of info that matters right off the bat and why I ask people how they're fishing when they pose questions. Many if not most Sitting-in-a-Kayak-while-Fishing-questions won't be answered accurately by people thinking about standing on a decked boat and fishing.

 

My advice: Get the shortest practical rod for the weight you're throwing with the shortest handle you can find. Improvise your chop stroke kind of side-arm. It works with a bit of yak positioning and dexterity the same way one adjusts to skip from a low-seated position versus standing on a boat.

What is the longest you’d go for a kayak Swimbait rod?

The longest swimbait rod I used was 8’ Dobyns 806 I am not a kayak fisherman.

Tom