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Hey im trying to decide between these two rods for a jigging rod. was wondering if anyone had and suggestions or advantages and disadvantages.

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Godzilla vs. Hedorah  -  Sorry, couldn't resist.  

I've heard good reviews on both rods.  If you have a store with both nearby, put a reel on them and see how they feel.  They really should be comparable and doesn't sound like you can go wrong with either one.  If you have Shimano or Daiwa reel you are gonna put on it, maybe go with the same brand.

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Zillion, hands down.

I don't like the reel seat on the Cumara at all.

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This is based solely on handling the rods in stores, not from actual fishing experience. Other people may confirm or dispute it.

I like the finish on the Zillions. They are at least partially matte black. The Cumara has a clear gloss finish that I believe makes it a bit heavier and insulates vibration. The Zillion feels a bit lighter and crisper in hand and I would assume that would translate into better sensitivity. I like the reel seat on the Cumaras though. I'm sure you would be happy with either one, especially for a jig rod.

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Guys where are you  getting your information from? The Zillions have a life time warranty as well...

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Cumara because of warranty. you can brake your Cumara 5 times and get a new one? You brake a Zillion you done..

Daiwa will replace your Zillion, you just have to pay for shipping.

As far as the rods go...they are both very sensitive rods, and are both at the same price point. I think both are light weight as well. The Zillion just has further refinement when compared to the Cumara. Shimano could have at least thrown some aluminum winding checks on a rod that costs $220...not to mention some decorative wraps. The Zillion has as many or more wraps as a lot of customs I've seen; it's commendable they didn't take a lot of shortcuts.

The Zillion has five separate wraps before you even reach the first guide!

Two wraps right above chrome-trimmed locking nut.

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Two more wraps right after the rod identification writing...

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and of course the wrapping on the first guide...

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I don't have a close pic of the split grip with the aluminum winding checks, but it looks nice and makes a difference.  *edit*  Found one on TT...

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Even my Quantum PT Superlites have nice aluminum checks with wraps above each. Get the most for your money!

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If anyone wants a Zillion rod after reading this, I'm selling one  ;D Check the flea market!  I know you want another one Natural! ;D

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what about carrot stix's. i have one and love it i've used a cumara and handled a zillion and although i wouldn't mind owning either, i think the carrot owns up .... and had a good warranty too.

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If anyone wants a Zillion rod after reading this, I'm selling one ;D Check the flea market! I know you want another one Natural! ;D

Hell I own 5, and that is waaay too many Jig and Worm rods.  I generally only take two with me.  

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what about carrot stix's. i have one and love it i've used a cumara and handled a zillion and although i wouldn't mind owning either, i think the carrot owns up .... and had a good warranty too.I

The Carrot excels in the weight department...maybe the lightest sticks I've held. However; I don't like the guides at all, and I don't think the Carrot blank has the level of sensitivity of the Cumara or Zillion. Just my opinion of course (I owned two carrots for a few months). Unlike some; I actually like the looks of the Carrot sticks. That said...the Carrot stick is a $150 rod, and we are comparing it to $220 rods.  The Carrot can hold it's own against any $150 out there; it excels in some areas against the Crucial/Cara/Avid.

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The reason we do not have any of the fancy aluminum pieces on the Cumara rods was to reduce the weight. We set out to make the lightest and most sensitive bass rod in our line up. This meant deleting extra "bling" from the rod to drop the weight. Its like a race car. You do not need fancy wheels or A/C on a race car. We do not need extra metal on our lightweight rods.  

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The reason we do not have any of the fancy aluminum pieces on the Cumara rods was to reduce the weight. We set out to make the lightest and most sensitive bass rod in our line up. This meant deleting extra "bling" from the rod to drop the weight. Its like a race car. You do not need fancy wheels or A/C on a race car. We do not need extra metal on our lightweight rods.

Winding checks are aluminum and as thin as a pop can. They add no negligible weight, which is why a lot of custom rod builders use them. I know you will defend your brand and company, but the Cumara just looks unfinished in the handle area. The minimalist 'racecar' theory would work if Shimano wouldn't have done aluminum trim with a metal plate on the butt section.

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If you are going to dress up half the handle...just add the .01 grams of weight and do the other half. This pic shows the handle looking unfinished. You could shave off more weight than the aluminum checks would add by properly shaping the EVA as well.

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The Cumara and Zillion are BOTH great rods.  When two competing rods are both light and sensitive....you have to start splitting hairs.  That's all I'm doing....

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I think my choice would be based upon where I can get a few dollars shaved of the price  ;D ;D  Either would fit on my wish list.  I just wish I could find them locally.

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Natural-

I was not trying to defend the product, I just wanted to explain why we did not use the metal winding checks on the rods.  

I was approached by the rod development manager at the time and he said that he wanted to build the lightest bass rod we have ever offered. My input to him was the actions, the SiC guides and the reel seat design on the casting rods. He did everything else. We discussed the fancy appearance items, but they did add 1-2 grams here and there. When you want to make the lightest rod you have to give up some things to hit your goals.

With rods and weight, hairs are about what you can shave to reduce weight further. For example the lightest rod in the Cumara series is 3.28 ounces and the heaviest is 4.69 ounces. There isn't much out there that is lighter than that for similar actions and lengths.  

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