Well, for me value IS about quality AND price. Shimano, as good is there stuff is generally, has nothing on anyone else at various price points.

Yeah, better stay away from them Floogers. They'll make your hair fall out, your teeth will rot, your wife will leave you, your dog will bite you.....

Dammit, if my dog ISN'T biting me, I'm gettin' no lovin'. Then again, she's a flat-nosed belligerent pug.......

The flooger brigade marches on.........

Not responsible for hurt feelings.

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                            AGREED

A point without a counterpoint is not seeing both sides of an issue.

If anyone is like me, you have to be value conscious.

Value is about far more than price.

AND IT'S ABOUT A LOT MORE THAN SHE MAN O'S ;D

that woud be shimbindo!!!a few years back shimbindo spinning reels were binding up all over and they did nothing about it.it caused many loyal shimbindo fans to go to diawa.

Yeah, better stay away from them Floogers. They'll make your hair fall out, your teeth will rot, your wife will leave you, your dog will bite you.....

The part about teeth is true!

Great deal if you like throwing your money in the trash. :-X

 I've owned 4 Pflueger spinning reels for several years and never a problem out of any of them.