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Anyone own both a Revo STX and a Patriarch? I own a few STX's and love them however I have always been intrigued by the Patriarch. I was thinking of picking one up this weekend. Any comparisons? It would be primarily used for heavy flipping and c-rigs. Thanks.

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very true. i could always switch the rods. what are your thoughts comparing the two?

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I have had an SX and I own a couple of Patriarchs.

The Patriarchs are much more user friendly.  The Revos have tighter tolerances overall but the Patriarch is definitely worth trying.  The Patriarch is so easy to cast and they feel very similar to the ABU's.

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come on guys. i know there are a lot of revo fans out there. no one owns both??? I am heading to BPS tomorrow and need advice...

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come on guys. i know there are a lot of revo fans out there. no one owns both??? I am heading to BPS tomorrow and need advice...

I used to own a few STX's, sold them and bought Patriarchs.

A flippin reel is basically a winch.  Good drag is the primary strong point for a reel fishing that method.  In that case, save your money and get a Revo S, I still own one for that purpose.  C riggin is slinging heavy rigs out long distances.  Normally, your rig weight is in the 1 oz plus range.  While the Patriarch blows the STX away in any sort of casting, the difference between the reels becomes less when you're throwing really heavy baits.

In day to day casting, the STX can't hold a candle to the Patriarch in ease of casting.  Both reels are well made and they are very, very similar in ergonomics.  

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I have owned both and don't understand how anyone could say that the patriarch casts better than a Revo! I have yet to see a reel that can out cast a Revo STX or Premier!

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the patriarch has 20 pounds of drag.the titanium finish on the patriarch will look good long after the revo is scratched up.the are both good products.

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I have owned both and don't understand how anyone could say that the patriarch casts better than a Revo! I have yet to see a reel that can out cast a Revo STX or Premier!

Simple.

After a day on the lake using both, I got serious and questioned why I was going to continue to use a reel that requires so much fiddling to cast correctly as conditions and lure weight/profile change vs. a reel that literally needs little adjusting regardless of what you have on.  Heck, turn off the mag braking on the Patriarch (which I do most of the time) and the Cent. brakes work way better than the linear mag on the STX.  Even the Revo S is a better caster than the STX and especially the SX.  

I think the Revo line is still a great line of reels but the braking system on the top line reels, SX, STX, Premier is pathetic.  In reality, the mag braking used on the patriarch is the same mag braking system Garcia used for years on their LP reels and it works great.  Why they switched to the linear mag system is beyond me.  

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I own several STXs and have owned a Johnny Morris Elite, which is essentially a Patriarch.

The idea that the Patriarch outcasts the Revo STX with any weight bait was not my experience at all.   The Patriarch has a centrifugal brake attached to the spool, with a steel inductor plate attached to that.  With line, the spool was way more massive than the Revos.  It didn't cast light baits anywhere near as well as the Revo, and cast the heaviest bait I used only as well.  

As far as the braking goes. the Patriarch uses the exact same brake as the Elite.  It is a good brake, but its fool proof.  In that anyone can set it for backlash free casting.  It's especially good for those who can't or don't learn to use one brake or the other.  I think if you fish seriously, you'll outgrow the Patriasrch brake and yearn for something that, while perhaps a little more finicky, will allow for better over all performance.  Why not start out with the better reel and learn to use it right off?

Go with the STX.

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Great discussion - valuable insights from different perspectives :)

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I own several STXs and have owned a Johnny Morris Elite, which is essentially a Patriarch.

The idea that the Patriarch outcasts the Revo STX with any weight bait was not my experience at all. The Patriarch has a centrifugal brake attached to the spool, with a steel inductor plate attached to that. With line, the spool was way more massive than the Revos. It didn't cast light baits anywhere near as well as the Revo, and cast the heaviest bait I used only as well.

As far as the braking goes. the Patriarch uses the exact same brake as the Elite. It is a good brake, but its fool proof. In that anyone can set it for backlash free casting. It's especially good for those who can't or don't learn to use one brake or the other. I think if you fish seriously, you'll outgrow the Patriasrch brake and yearn for something that, while perhaps a little more finicky, will allow for better over all performance. Why not start out with the better reel and learn to use it right off?

Go with the STX.

I go to a lake to fish, not stroke a reel all day because this is supposed to be a top line reel (even though others do far better for less) nor examine it under a microscope looking for tolerances.

If that's you're cup of tea that's great.  The question is castability.

Not long casting but how well a reel works under all conditions with varying baits and wind.  

If you want a reel where you have to think like this all day..

Oh, wind increased 2mph, better tweak the drag.

oh, wind shifted direction, better tweak the drag.

Oh, this lure is 1/8oz more than the last bait, better tweak the drag and the spool tenion.

Oh, this lure is a little larger profile than the last bait, better tweak the brake again.

etc, etc.

Then by all means get an STX.

If you would rather concentrate on your fishing, or what your odds are of meeting Jennifer Aniston and marrying her or just about anything else,  then get a Patriarch.    :)

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still very confused on which to purchase. Should I also be considering the winch? It will be paired w/ a 7'6"heavy for flipping and c-rigs.

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I own several STXs and have owned a Johnny Morris Elite, which is essentially a Patriarch.

The idea that the Patriarch outcasts the Revo STX with any weight bait was not my experience at all. The Patriarch has a centrifugal brake attached to the spool, with a steel inductor plate attached to that. With line, the spool was way more massive than the Revos. It didn't cast light baits anywhere near as well as the Revo, and cast the heaviest bait I used only as well.

As far as the braking goes. the Patriarch uses the exact same brake as the Elite. It is a good brake, but its fool proof. In that anyone can set it for backlash free casting. It's especially good for those who can't or don't learn to use one brake or the other. I think if you fish seriously, you'll outgrow the Patriasrch brake and yearn for something that, while perhaps a little more finicky, will allow for better over all performance. Why not start out with the better reel and learn to use it right off?

Go with the STX.

From what I can tell the patriarch and JM are VERY similar...but I feel that the braking system form the JM is closer to the Supreme. It is my experience that casting a Patriarch is much smoother, easier, and at greater distance with less backlash than the supreme, be it a less refined system or combination of components.

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I am going to go out and buy a Patriarch because the idea of meeting Jennifer Aniston and marrying her sounds like a great proposition to me. Seriously, they should use it as a marketing point.

On a serious note, this is a good discussion. I have been tossing the idea around in my head to getting either a Johnny Morris or a Patriarch for a few weeks.

Anybody else have anything to add, please do.

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I have owned both and don't understand how anyone could say that the patriarch casts better than a Revo! I have yet to see a reel that can out cast a Revo STX or Premier!

why I was going to continue to use a reel that requires so much fiddling to cast correctly as conditions and lure weight/profile change

I returned an STX for this very reason. I have a winch, which I use for deep cranking and I love it, but I'll never own another STX. Just not worth it IMHO.

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still very confused on which to purchase. Should I also be considering the winch? It will be paired w/ a 7'6"heavy for flipping and c-rigs.

for my flipping stick I have a Curado 200e7...Where did that come from?  ;D  If I had bought a Patriarch first, it would be a patriarch.  Depends on your preferences, if you fish in areas that you'll need to get the big ones out quick, think about a 7.x:1.

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Wait, now I'm confused:

If you would rather concentrate on your fishing, or what your odds are of meeting Jennifer Aniston and marrying her or just about anything else, then get a Patriarch

Does Jennifer Aniston COME with the Patriarch, or does the Patriarch come with Jennifer Aniston? If she's include with the reel (I want the reel bag too), I'm borrowing $$$ today..........

;D

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still very confused on which to purchase. Should I also be considering the winch? It will be paired w/ a 7'6"heavy for flipping and c-rigs.

A Revo S will save you money along with providing everything you need a reel to do for those 2 techniques.  

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Wait, now I'm confused:
If you would rather concentrate on your fishing, or what your odds are of meeting Jennifer Aniston and marrying her or just about anything else, then get a Patriarch

Does Jennifer Aniston COME with the Patriarch, or does the Patriarch come with Jennifer Aniston? If she's include with the reel (I want the reel bag too), I'm borrowing $$$ today..........

;D

Actually, I believe Jennifer Aniston comes with John Mayer these days.

:rimshot:

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still very confused on which to purchase. Should I also be considering the winch? It will be paired w/ a 7'6"heavy for flipping and c-rigs.

IMO, no.  The Winch is a good long distance casting reel with heavy baits.  Its deep spool filled with line is heavy.  It's hard to get started but it goes a long time once it does.  It will cast a heavy crank bait a long way.  But this is different than flipping.  You may be flipping a heavy bait, but you don't need all that line and you need it to be able to start up quickly without a hard cast.  

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Just go with a Quantum  :).

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thanks micro. so guess i am back to stx or patriarch.

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You already own a few STX's, so why not try out the Patriarch? If you buy it on ebay and you'll save a bunch of money. That way you'll take less of a hit if you decide you don't like it and want to sell.  

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i have both and like both. the patriarch is better at throwing a light bait a long distance.

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