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Over the winter I have been experimenting

with Seaguar InvizX 100% #8 (.009" diameter)

on spinning tackle. For baitcasting gear, Seaguar

AbrazX 100% #12.

I have been amazed with the manageability of

InvizX on spinning gear. Abrasion resistance and

strength have impressed me, too. I rate it a 10.

AbrazX is much stiffer and probably tougher than

Inviz and is NOT recommended for spinning tackle.

However, for baitcasting gear, another 10.

I only change line "as needed" and then just

replace 75 yards or so at a time. As a result,

the overall "annual cost" is not prohibitive.

Seaguar lines are very expensive on a per yard

basis, but not so much when spread out over

time.

If you are looking for a fluorocarbon, these might

just be the ones for you. I have been impressed

with both and will be using them on several dedicated

rigs.

8-)

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Just started using the AbrazX on my baitcasters....so far so good.  We bought the 1000 yd spool so I'd better like it ;D

Got two tournament next weekend, will absolutely know for sure if I like it after that!

Had been using Vanish Transition but it is no longer available in the large spool ;)

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I've used AbrazX and InvizX a year or so now and have really come to like it.  I have two new, to me, lines I'm fishing now that so far I like.  The Tatsu is pretty incredible.  I'm going to spool it on a couple spinning rods and see how it works out.  The other is the Trilene 100%.  Thus far I've been impressed, but am stand-offish about the actual strength.  It seems like I have to retie about every second fish with it. 

Both the AbrazX and InvizX have been really, really nice to fish with.

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I agree on the invizX but I have heard bad stories about the abarzX.  however, I have yet to try to abrazX myself.  call me an old timer but nothing can beat the carbon pro!!

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I agree on the invizX but I have heard bad stories about the abarzX. however, I have yet to try to abrazX myself. call me an old timer but nothing can beat the carbon pro!!

I think the "bad stories" are about fishing AbrazX on spinning tackle.

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RW,

I agree with you about Invizx 100%. I have been using 6# test and it works great on my spinning reel.

I haven't tried abrazx yet, but they don't have it available in my area.

If people have issues with not liking the perception of stretchiness they then might not like Invizx, but I can tell them this...  Given how well this line performs and the fact that its mono like feel won't affect feedback, it is well worth overlooking.

My only concern for me is that it is starting to get pricey for me because I can burn through it pretty fast (loss of line from unfreeable snags). It used to be only $12 for 200 yards at a local shop, but it seems they got wise as to how much other places with charging for it and have adjusted their price to match.  ;)

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Has anyone tried "Seaguar Tatsu Fluorocarbon"?

Their so-called dual structure fluorocarbon (DSF) uses a soft jacket for improved knot-strength

and flexibility, and a hard resin core for improved tensile strength and sensitivity.

      SEAGUAR TATSU       NYLON MONO

Refractive Index (water = 1.33) 1.42       1.57

Sink-Rate       15 sec = 1 ft       40 sec = 1 ft

Wet Strength-Loss       5%       20%

LB-TEST      TATSU DIAMETER

4 lb       .007 in.

6 lb       .008 in.

8 lb       .009 in.

10 lb       .010 in.

12 lb       .011 in.

15 lb       .013 in.

20 lb       .015 in.

Roger

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Over the winter I have been experimenting

with Seaguar InvizX 100% #8 (.009" diameter)

on spinning tackle. For baitcasting gear, Seaguar

AbrazX 100% #12.

I have been amazed with the manageability of

InvizX on spinning gear. Abrasion resistance and

strength have impressed me, too. I rate it a 10.

AbrazX is much stiffer and probably tougher than

Inviz and is NOT recommended for spinning tackle.

However, for baitcasting gear, another 10.

I only change line "as needed" and then just

replace 75 yards or so at a time. As a result,

the overall "annual cost" is not prohibitive.

Seaguar lines are very expensive on a per yard

basis, but not so much when spread out over

time.

If you are looking for a fluorocarbon, these might

just be the ones for you. I have been impressed

with both and will be using them on several dedicated

rigs.

8-)

What made you start looking for other options from Yo-zuri, just curious? I kind of noticed and it might have been how I spooled the line onto the reel but I noticed that deeper into the spool the line seemed to have lots of kinks and things of that sort, the line just did not feel smooth.

And have you used Trilene 100% and if so how would you compare that to the Seaguar?

Great post btw   ;)

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Well, I'm always looking for "something new".

I still have 10 rods spooled with Hybrid or Ultra

Soft and a couple of years worth of reserves! I

think Yo-Zuri is an excellent line at a great price.

Also, unless you fish gin clear water, I'm not

convinced fluorocarbon is necessarily an advantage.

The cost seems outrageous and I'm not even fishing

the "expensive" stuff!

So, it's just an experiment for now and I wanted to

post my initial impressions of these Seaguar lines.

Both InvizX and AbrazX have exceeded my expectations

so far. We'll see as time goes by.

p.s. I haven't tried Trilene 100%.

8-)

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i heard that the abrasX, in addition to the spinning tackle issue, did not have as superior knot strength as the invisX and carbon pro.  this was not for a source that I would hang my hat on, so it i good to see some positive feedback.

as for the new tatsu, too much green for my tastebuds.  i think there are certain things a line can and cannot do for your.  while i dont doubt that the tatsu may be superior in some aspects, i leave myself thinking... is it really necessary? 

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on a related side note, what knot are using with the abrasX.. i have heard that some fluro's do better were certain knot's and the like... maybe this was the problem

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I've only used their Red Label and find it to be very manageable.  It seems their Red Label line diameters are lower than other equivalent fluoro's for the same pound weighting so they will break sooner.  You just need to account for that and get an appropriate diameter version.

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Sixteen-Twenty Knot for fluorocarbon

http://206.210.94.83/collaterals/pdf/fhf_knot_sixteen_twenty.pdf

San Diego Jam for braid

http://www.netknots.com/html/san_diego_jam_knot.html

Palomar for Yo-Zuri

http://www.animatedknots.com/palomar/index.php

Note: Thread the line through the hook, then

the tag-end back through. In the animation it

appears that they suggest pushing the loop

through which is virtually impossible with small

hooks.

8-)

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Sounds great, but geez...That's a lot of green for

200 yards of line.

True, but some anglers spend that much for one swimbait.

In any case, I'm guessing that Tatsu will eventually find its way to one of your reel spools ;)

Roger

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No doubt...

Thanks for the heads-up!

;D ;D ;D

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No doubt...

Thanks for the heads-up!

;D ;D ;D

I'd only wish that every heads-up were that easy.

'Price' has never stopped you or I, there needs to be a more rational reason ;D ;D ;D ;D

Roger

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Has anyone tried "Seaguar Tatsu Fluorocarbon"?

Their so-called dual structure fluorocarbon (DSF) uses a soft jacket for improved knot-strength

and flexibility, and a hard resin core for improved tensile strength and sensitivity.

      SEAGUAR TATSU       NYLON MONO

Refractive Index (water = 1.33) 1.42       1.57

Sink-Rate       15 sec = 1 ft       40 sec = 1 ft

Wet Strength-Loss       5%       20%

LB-TEST      TATSU DIAMETER

4 lb       .007 in.

6 lb       .008 in.

8 lb       .009 in.

10 lb       .010 in.

12 lb       .011 in.

15 lb       .013 in.

20 lb       .015 in.

Roger

I'm currently fishing it.  I've fished it about three or four times now.  I'm rapidly falling in love with it.

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thanks for the info on the knots.. i will pass this info along and try to 16-20 myself. I have traditionally used the palmor knot for nearly everything but maybe this explains some of the issues I have had with fluro in the past. 

as I bought BPS fluro last year to save some $$ after hearing good reviews, only to break 5 fish off at a knot during a tourney  >;)

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The Palomar Knot, as Burleytog stated in another

thread, is solid. Failure is probably due to "burning".

The line must be well lubricated (spit) to tighten down

without causing structural damage. It is physically

impossible for a properly tied Palomar Knot to

come un-done!

The 16-20 is basically a noose. There are no stress

points in the knot, holding pressure is spread out

through the loops of the noose. This seems to

be more suitable for fluorocarbon lines.

8-)

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I'm trying flouro out again this year. Put some #10 Trilene 100% on two baitcasters, and #6 on one spinning reel. I'm trying to approach this with an open mind. We'll see what happens.

I'm also giving Sufix Elite another shot for my three moving bait rods. Put #10 on my crankbait rig and deep crankin rig. Put #12 on my spinnerbait / jerkbait rig.

And finally, after several years of listening to RW extol it's virtues, I've spooled up two baitcasters with YoZuri Hybrid Ulta Soft.

I've been using the San Diego Jam knot for all baits with treble hooks. That will be the knot I use for flouro. It's basically the same knot as the 16/20. with one more step. In my hands, the jam knot works better. By that I mean I tie the jam knot better.

Find which knot works best for you, and use it. Any knot will work with flouro if you take to time to tighten it properly. When using flouro, the line MUST be lubed very well and the knot tightened S-L-O-W-L-Y.

MegaStrike makes a better knot lubricant than spit.

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Hmmm...I have been using the Palomar Knot for every type of line and haven't had one slip yet.

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Hmmm...I have been using the Palomar Knot for every type of line and haven't had one slip yet.

Do you also use the palomar for braid ?

For me, the palomar doesnt seem to want to tighten cleanly with braid, I still use it for the same reason, it has never failed.

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Hmmm...I have been using the Palomar Knot for every type of line and haven't had one slip yet.

Do you also use the palomar for braid ?

For me, the palomar doesnt seem to want to tighten cleanly with braid, I still use it for the same reason, it has never failed.

I use it for braid was well.  Never had an issue.  One thing I do to all my knots after I tie them is to dynamically load them (very hard and quick jerk on the knot from a slack line state).  A dynamic load (e.g., hook set) greatly increases the amount of short term force on the knot, which I would assume is where a lot of knots fail or "slip" loose.  If the knot slips or comes loose after my dynamic load test, I just retie and test again.  I don't know if that makes a difference as to why I have been so lucky with knots holding, but I think it helps.

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