UMMMMMMMMMMMMM Fluke?????

thats all I have to say on that idea.....

no scripture please.

Lastly, this is a youth friendly forum. We don't encourage acts of violence on innocent animals. Call it greenpeace, call me whatever you want, just be sure to include the word educated . We are here to show kids the right way to view things, to respect things,...We are here to lead by example. Baitmonkey12, you're a scary example but one we need nontheless to prove our point. Your posts on this topic do it for us.

Ignorance suks.

( we sit and wonder how the world became a place where groups of kids beat up homeless people for fun. Still mystified? Ignorance starts at home.)

Now I'm wondering how we got to calling people ignorant.   ;D

Seriously, I am not sure what to say now as I am pretty outnumbered  :-/. My dad is incredibly "educated", and he and I have a great time taking care of our ponds. We built a turtle trap to help provide more minnows for our bass (Who says snappers don't eat fish?). If you challenge that, I'd love to get him on to clarify things for you.

Oh, and LBH, you got a problem with scripture?  :-?

P.S. If this is too heated for you mods, let me know, and I'll just drop this thread alltogether.

Baitmonkey, your property is yours to do with what you please. However,  if you're killing any animal with some reckless sense of personal fishery management, I think you're wrong to do so. If you're relocating the animals or eating them, that's another story altogether.

Lastly, I don't have a problem with the use of scripture. What I have a problem with is people using it to justify their own agendas.

hey baitmonkey12 you are right about snappers they do eat fish. but more often than not it isnt the snappers that is bieng killed ,red ear sliders are the innocent bystanders and i dont know anyone who can tell at 20 to however many feet out in the water what kind of turtle is bieng shot.   and when these turtles are bieng shot i hope you are using steel shot . if a rifle is in use well that is just [uneducated] because of the ricochet, the cage is the best way to get rid of unwanted snappers

Now I know Kiethscatch and WhiteMike will be all over my back for saying this, but I find it a sport to shoot my hard backed friends through the head as they run from my ever-faithful 22.

Comment withdrawn.

Hopefully, this is my last post on this subject. I am sorry if I offended some of my fellow members with the comment in quotes. I was in jest. We work tirelessly to protect and foster a great environment for fishing and outdoor sports. I am not afraid of turtles nor do I need to "grow a pair". Obscene comments do not help this or any discussion. The snappers we euthanize do eat fish. My sister keeps the red eared sliders as pets then lets them go back into the wild after a while. I fully understand the arguments of the other posts but I simply disagree. One last thing, the only ignorant thing I have read in this thread is calling someone ignorant. Calling names and insulting other members is not fit for this forum.

Quote from baitmonkey12 on Oct 20th, 2006, 8:34pm:

Now I know Kiethscatch and WhiteMike will be all over my back for saying this, but I find it a sport to shoot my hard backed friends through the head as they run from my ever-faithful 22.

Comment withdrawn.

Hopefully, this is my last post on this subject. I am sorry if I offended some of my fellow members with the comment in quotes. I was in jest. We work tirelessly to protect and foster a great environment for fishing and outdoor sports.

Attaboy Baitmonkey, now that's the spirit.

I was confident that your heart wasn't in that statement, but it's nice to hear it from you

Roger

Attaboy Baitmonkey, now that's the spirit.

I was confident that your heart wasn't in that statement, but it's nice to hear it from you

I am also glad to hear that...I don't kill turtles unless instructed to do so. Even then, I have a hard time doing it. For example, I used to fish at a pond and the owner instructed me to kill the snapping turtles because the snappers were killing the baby ducks? Anyway, I reluctantly agreed to, and I caught two of them within a two week period while fishing for bass on live nightcrawlers. Fortunately for the turtles, I had no net of any size to get them out of the water, and I sure as heck ain't picking them up when there is a two foot area between the bank and the water.

Now snakes, that's a different story. Garter snakes and green snakes, and other non-poisonous snakes are free to roam around my house. Copperheads and rattlers? They better keep their distance is all I can say....

"Turtles" are not a nuisance, it's the snapping turtles that are.

Others have also pointed out no need to purposely kill the ones you see, those aren't snapping turtles.

Yes S.T.'s eat fish, so do bass and we all feel pretty strong about those who kill bass.....

I also understand sometimes you catch S.T's, that's a different story when trying to remove a hook, most times you can't. Killing to kill is not right imho.

Baitmonkey12...lets not be ridiculous here. The turtles aren't going to massacre the fish population in a nano second. They don't go around killing fish just because they can. Its not like they are successful everytime they try to kill a fish. They miss sometimes to. They get one shot at it and if they don't get it they gotta regroup all over again. Would the ecosystem work if 1 animal just went on massive killing sprees annihilating anything it could eat? If the turtles were as bad as you make it sound then Bass Fishing wouldn't exsist.  

Maybe I am one of those people who needs to grow some, in LBH's words.

I however, do have a healthy fear of snakes. I only kill poisonous ones, copperheads, watermoccasins, rattlesnakes, etc..... and only if I can not walk away from them or if the snake is in my yard. My neighbor killed a copperhead that was 3 ft. long and big around as my wrist. That snake was under his porch, and the gentleman, has 6 little grand babies running around constantly, playing...

If I am in a boat, I move away from snakes I see in the water, on land it is a little more difficult, since you are usually right on top of them before you know they are there....

I am not pro killing anything to just kill it.... I was raised better than that.. I do however, understand fear of snakes, or heights, or whatever, and reacting the way people do.

Yea, maybe I do need to grow some, but at 42 yrs. of age, I do not think my fear of snakes is going to go away.... I would rather face a Grizzly Bear in the wild than a snake anywhere.....

I understand what you are saying...There is a difference between taking one snake for protection and walking in the woods with gun and just blasting every snake you see just beacause you can. Thats going out of your way to kill something.

I also carry a 12g for snake protection and that is because i live in texas and i live on a farm. when i fish the tanks aroun dusk the rattle snakes come out aand so do water moccasins i have never shot one but i have come close and thats because it curled up and was lookin at my bird dog. and i have only shot one turtle and got I disagree beat by my dad when i was like 13.

Im cursed by turtles, Ive caught about 6 alltogether on bass jigs, crappie grubs, lisards, and I landed one about 3 feet wide with 4lb test bream fishing with worm chunks.

Im no tree hugger either but turtles are beneficial to our water ways .Think of turtles as vultures they eat a lot of stuff that dies and it could be dieseased.Im no boloigist either but we all know each animal has its place (not CHIGGERS AND TICKS ) If we use the assumption turtles are hurting the fish population does that mean we shoot every BALD eagle we see with a 2 lb bass hanging from its feet no.Like i say im no tree hugger they to me are considered terrorist .And us killing animals that have been in a lake long before we fished it is not natural a pond or lake or river has a cycle of life and if one is removed u might not see a diff in your lifetime but 30 yrs from now your kids or grand kids will not be able to appriciate that 30 lb snapper LMAO