Ok, I watched the video of the Rage series and you know who talked me into getting some ( I wonder why it doesn 't sound surprising to me  : ), so there I went this past Sunday to try them, not that I expect to catch anything, I was there just to see how they worked in the flesh; but, the point is, how the hell you gotta reel them things to give them the wobbling swimming action I see in the video ? cuz I tried at different speeds, different rod positions and all I could see was the bait spinning  >.

I have to say, I did manage to catch some fish with a different presentation ( rip/ allow to sink and reel in the slack ).

Check you rigging:http://www.fishpickwick.com/

I think the best method might be C-rigged, but you

still have to have the Eeliminator hooked up perfectly

or it will not run right.

p.s. Get the Smokin' Rooster, too!

8-)

Check you rigging:http://www.fishpickwick.com/

I think the best method might be C-rigged, but you

still have to have the Eeliminator hooked up perfectly

or it will not run right.

p.s. Get the Smokin' Rooster, too!

8-)

Well, it was perfectly rigged RW, it must have something to do with the rod position, the reeling speed or the line type that 's why I 'm asking, I said to meself: "if there 's an Eeliminator expert somewhere in the world he must be found at BR.  "

Btw, you know who talked me into the Rage Fever  :, you don 't think I was only gonna get the Eeliminator do you ?  ( He got me Shads, Craws, Eeliminators, Roosters, Anacondas  : )

Man them craws are fantastic ! you can feel the claws thumping. 

Big-O will help you out. Haven't tried them yet (still some ice up here) but can't wait.

Sorry...I did not mean to insult you, but part

of the Rage Tail "magic" is in the rigging. I'm

sure Big O will see this later and respond.

p.s. I have only tested the Eeliminator in my

pool to check the rigging and it was fine. So,

I don't know.

  :-/

Sorry...I did not mean to insult you, but part

of the Rage Tail "magic" is in the rigging. I'm

sure Big O will see this later and respond.

p.s. I have only tested the Eeliminator in my

pool to check the rigging and it was fine. So,

I don't know.

:-/

Never took it as an insult my friend  , we are just exploring the nature of the "spinning Eeliminator" problem, could be the rigging, ok, I say it was perfectly rigged, I mean, it was perfectly straight, but that doesn 't mean the hook was in the sweet spot, you know how things are, 1/10th of an inch above or below the sweet spot and ..... you got yourself a spinning Eeliminator !  >

Have to add another thing, few fish but man, the strikes were vicious !  , they munched on it with anger.

I was having the same issues. I used it on different style hooks, 4/0 or 5/0, I forget, whatever was reccommended though, and couldnt combat the spinning issue. So I gave up on the topwater and hooked it with a 1/16 ox keel weight and fished it sub-surface. Still no fish on any RT products for me.... >

I haven't had any problems with mine, but I can definitlely see how retrieve speed, line, and hook type could cause problems.  I've had great success with them both weightless with 4/0 Owner screw-in hooks and with EWGs and a small screw-in bullet weight, both fished with my rod tip fairly high (rod at or above parallel to water's surface) and a very slow retrieve. 

Like you said, sometimes even when they are seemingly rigged perfectly, it can take some time to find the sweet spot for rigging a new bait.  I'm sure once you find it you'll love the Eeliminators like I have mine. 

I haven't had any problems with mine, but I can definitlely see how retrieve speed, line, and hook type could cause problems. I've had great success with them both weightless with 4/0 Owner screw-in hooks and with EWGs and a small screw-in bullet weight, both fished with my rod tip fairly high (rod at or above parallel to water's surface) and a very slow retrieve.

Like you said, sometimes even when they are seemingly rigged perfectly, it can take some time to find the sweet spot for rigging a new bait. I'm sure once you find it you'll love the Eeliminators like I have mine.

Ok, I rigged them with a 4/0 Gamakatsu EWG, you have tried with other type of hook, in your opinion which one seems to work better, the regular EWG or the the Screw in ? ( got both !  , ain 't that a surprise ?  ), now on the subject of the weight, small weight, how small ? inserted where ( T-tig ) ?, because I was thinking about inserting a nail weight in case I wanted to accelerate the rate of fall. Also about rod position ( not only the angle ), rod pointing straight at the bait or it can be in any position ?

Sorry for all the questions but nosey people gotta know ! 

If you use a heavy wire Gammy 4/0, or an Owner Twistlock 5/0, maybe with a 1/16th press on keel weight, you shouldn't have a problem. The other thing you could try, is press in a belly weight, which will allow you to run it all over the water column. Some folks even use the belly weight, and rig it on a C rig, which is my favorite, even using circle octopus hooks, and nose hook the Eel. You'll get it, and you'll love the thing!

There is rigging info inside the packages and detailed illustrations at www.ragetail.com. Just go to products page and click on chosen bait.

This is the link on the website:

http://www.ragetail.com/Eeliminator.html

This is the link from the news site: with a host of verbal rigging tips

http://www.ragetail.com/news/rigging-info/

Here are those rigging tips:

This bait can do it all extremely well if rigged properly in each application: Weightless, Tx and C rigged, Flipped or pitched and Swimbait.

Hooking in the center on the nose and body as well as maintaining the original shape and design of the bait when hooked is imperative and not bowing the back of the bait up when skin hooked

In the future, we will hear of others that are content using a variety of different hooks and I will be happy for their success, but I have used every hook and design under the sun for several years and here are my ideas for best usage and hook ups on hook sets.

1) Standard 4/0 EWG Gamakatsu Superline hook as well as other EWG's that are of the same approximate size and weight. It is very important not to over hook this bait or use too long of a hook because it will alter the action of the bait by disturbing the tail connection at body. Stretching the body from original length or shape will impede or damage action results as well.

Different hook brands are slightly different in sizes so they should be checked thoroughly.

2) Owner 5/0 twistlock is excellent also and gives best longevity to bait as well as centering pin in screw lock to make sure that it is exactly centered in noseVery Important. Make sure that the back of bait is not bowed up when light skin hook.

Other screwlock hooks can be used but can't be too long and must be exactly centered in nose and body of bait for proper action results.

3) I don't use keel weighted hooks because they kill the side to side action.

4) My favorite use is Carolina rig from extremely light weight like 1/8 pegged upline 10[ch8243], to standard C rig with heavier weights for deeper or windy conditions.

5) Weightless extremely slow or quick retrieve.

6) Tx rigged with light unpegged weight 1/4 or less for best action results.

7) If the weight is pegged, it should never be pegged directly to the front of the bait as it will cause the bait to roll over if the weight is pointed off center even slightly.

Keep the baits in the clam shell package to avoid deformation

Hope this helps

Big O

www.ragetail.com

Well, Big O pretty much covered the rigging (who better!), but here's my answers anyway.

As for the screw vs. standard EWG, I like...both pretty equally, sorry!  Actually, I like the Screw-in for more open water, unweighted use and the EWG for over and through emergent vegetation (the screw-in seems to hang up a little more on some veg types). 

When I've used the eeliminator weighted, I used it t-rigged with a 1/16 - 1/8oz screw-in bullet weight.  The light weight allows me to keep the eeliminator on the surface with a moderate retrieve speed and didn't inhibit the swimming action very much.  The screw-in bullet weights seemed to be important as I found the bait would roll if used with a pegged standard bullet weight.

Man I love that bait.  I fished it pretty extensively last weekend in KS and it produced fish.  (Thanks for the tip on the Rooster, too, RW.  We caught quite a few fish on that as well.)

Also.....* For flipping, I use a Bobber Stopper style Sinker Stop approximately 3/8 inch ahead of a Max 1/4 oz slip weight so that he weight is free and doesn't drive or try to guide the baits swimming action. * For Swimbait style application, use 1/16 or 1/8 bullet slip weight on line, unpegged for slow swimming at desired depths.

Big O

www.ragetail.com

Can you use parasite clips with the rage tails to keep them from sliding down the hook without affecting their surface action?

Big O to the rescue!

Thanks

8-)

Can you use parasite clips with the rage tails to keep them from sliding down the hook without affecting their surface action?

Never tried it but if it is small enough and doesn't cause centering problems on the nose of the bait, it should work fine.

Big O

www.ragetail.com

He got me Shads, Craws, Eeliminators, Roosters, Anacondas : )

Raul, you need to add two more Rage baits to your arsenal  :

You've got to try the Rage Lobster, which is a rage craw with a man card.

You might also want to try the "Space Monkey", which places the emphasis

on the tail instead of the wings. Those big double claws generate big vibes

and stay active almost to a standstill.

Roger

Already got the Space Monkey Rolo, you know who talked me into getting some. :

Thanks BigO !

Just what this old fart needs to know about new baits.

Something caught my attention too, the use of a superline hook, I was rigging the bait with a regular hook, I suppose that being the superline hook heavier it helps to stabilize the bait.

Already got the Space Monkey Rolo, you know who talked me into getting some. :

Thanks BigO !

Just what this old fart needs to know about new baits.

Something caught my attention too, the use of a superline hook, I was rigging the bait with a regular hook, I suppose that being the superline hook heavier it helps to stabilize the bait.

The heavier wire hook will have some small effect on stabilization I'm sure....I like it because of the overall strength effect to keep the bigguns on board

Big O

www.ragetail.com

That 's what we us bassers across the southern border call a very nice fish. 

I liked the bait, specially I like the meanness of the bite ( they bit it with the real intent of maiming it ), not hard to detect the fish, who needs a sensitive rod ?

Hey Raul,

Seems the fish down South like the Green Pumpkin and Watermelon Red colors best. Those two as well as most from that trip hit GP w/tail tipped in JJ's chartreuse

Hope you're catchin'em too

Big O

www.ragetail.com