for everything 20# suffix 832 advanced, never had any breaks off on fish or abrasion issues, never ever.

I would appreciate that. I have my local tackle shop spool my reels. I had s spool of 50lb Power Pro that would dig in very badly if I caught a fish. Almost every time I was hung in the pads it would dig in. That was very annoying. Basically every cast after catching a fish or pulling my frog out of the "V" in a lilly pad resulted in a very short cast with me having to pull out a few yards of line to clear out the mess. That sucked!! As soon as I ripped that line off and had it replaced the issue was solved! Never had a problem before or after. Just a little concerned now.

If you set the hook with braid the same way you set the hook with a stretchy line like mono, it can dig in.

I've said it before and I'll say it again , why the need for "hard" hook sets ???? Get some Owner hooks and just give the rod a little snap and FISH ON !! As for line digging in, it happens with flourocarbon and mono also , not just braid, thanks goodness dig ins and birds nests come out so much more easier with braid

Due to the fact that most waters I fish are extremely muddy (and also my laziness), I do not use leaders with my braid.

Well I have never had the DIGGING IN ever since I was 12 until now at 77.  I DO make sure that ALL lines COMING OFF A coiled spool DO NOT start making more & more tighter coils. If the coils start forming above the LAYING FLAT ON A FLOOR ??  I FLIP THE SPOOL OVER ON THE FLOOR ....AFTER rotating the spool to remove the twists.  Start winding again. That stops coils from forming off a new spool of line. I USE A LOT OF PINCHED FINGER PRESSURE ON THE LINE as it is wound on the reel. Every 6 rotations of the bail....I I completely release finger pressure To ALLOW THE TWISTS that can form between my pinching fingers & the reel.

 

That works for me on all sizes of spinning reels & all types of lines. From 2# test to 60 # 40 year old Ande pink mono.

 

Bait caster could be setting the line wraps TOO FRIGGIN CLOSE.  Especially if the line is NOT WOUND UNDER A LOT OF PRESSURE

 

Remember...........Dacron & modern Braid has NO STRETCH. NEW OR OLD.   But the single strand MONOs can get stretchy.   Baitcaster MAY NEED TO FINGER PRESSURE THE LINE COMING IN to keep it tight enough for all wraps ON ALL LAYERS.

 

40 to 80 pound monos can get loose if you catch several small lazy fish in a row.........Now a sharp hard hook set will keep digging in.  UNTIL you do a REWINDING TIGHTLY.

 

I can get some time occupying wind knots with lures too light for the wind on 4# & 2 pound. I am stupid & cast too much into the wind.  Rare wind knot if I cast with the wind.

I can relate to some of what you've said, but your 65 years of experience (12 to 77) far exceeds the lifespan of polyethylene braid.

You qualified that breach however by mentioning braided Dacron (You probably remember dealing with braided nylon too)

 

In any event, when fishing with 30-lb Berkley Trilene Braid, neither my wife nor I experience any "line-burrowing".

Maybe we're just lucky, but we never engage in any line discipline or adhere to any special handling (we just fish).

As long as I stay at or above 30-lb Trilene braid, line burrowing and wind-knots are far too rare to warrant mention.

 

Roger

Been fishing all braid for 3 years now and I will never look back. No leaders on any of my rigs, the only poles I don't have braid is my jerk bait set up, and my crankbait rig. For jigs, worms, flukes, senkos, and any other bottom contact lures I use 50lb PP or Suffix 832. I even use it in my finesse presentations.

just straight braid...messing with leaders just overly complicates things in my opinion

On 12/27/2014 at 9:51 PM, SGT Rico said:

 I even use it in my finesse presentations.

 

Why would braided line be associated with anything but "finesse"?

 

Saltwater anglers quickly learn that 'thin diameter line' means getting away with a lighter sinker,

in some cases, 'half' the weight. Freshwater & saltwater anglers both know that 'thin diameter line' means

longer casting distances. Most importantly, a 'thin diameter line' provides a more natural delivery

than a FAT diameter line, because it generates less water resistance. For this same reason,

fly-fisherman use fine-diameter tippets to achieve the most natural delivery with minimal line-drag.

 

Somewhere along the line, 'natural delivery' was wrongfully unseated by 'refractive index'.

Ironically, 'line drag' is a measurable physical characteristic, while 'line-shyness' remains conjectural.

Furthermore, 'refractive index' tells you only half the story about a line's visibility. The other half of the story

is Line Diameter and fluorocarbon is not just fat, it's TWICE the diameter of braid.

 

Roger

Sales hype is all that companies can use to sell a BRUTALLY SIMPLE product.

 

Some sales clown will say wind tests at NASA prove monofilament CAN cast farther due to the NEW IMPROVED SLICK FINISH now being used.

 

DUUHHHH

 

Quick                  Throw away all your braided lines. They are not the best  anymore.

So glad somebody else finally mentions "line drag" salt guys usually are aware, especially fishing for hard running, long lasting fish types. Around here, primarily I use very small diameter lines, for many tactics, I believe bigger line creates sound or maybe, unusal vibrations over a long cast. I can't prove it, but I know this, I catch considerably more fish with very thin mono/ hybrid type lines. Flipping is short work/ big line/ heavy cover. I've seen 0 impact there with bigger line. Seems most fisherman as was pointed out by RoLo, use light line for ease of casting or because of a thinner appearance in the water, some would agree, myself included that action of many baits would/ are enhanced.. I do not use braids, it's just my preference.