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Lol. Sometimes I forget which I post as myself.

I used to to admin on a buddy's FB page. I never knew who it would post as, Wet Net Charters, SH Fishin'Sticks, my dogs memorial page or me! It was a crapshoot. FB has gotten much better about that now.

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  • S Hovanec
    S Hovanec

    I'd be looking at an off shelf Avid before trying to spec a custom for $200. IMO, you're not getting much rod in a custom for that kind of money.

  • SirSnookalot
    SirSnookalot

    I agree, although St Croix is not one of my favorite brands.   From an economic standpoint most rod builders are not building 100-200 rods at a time, they are pretty much buying components at retail p

  • Delaware Valley Tackle
    Delaware Valley Tackle

    Of course the client has final say, but design and component recommendation are a big part of what you pay a good rod builder for. If you've done due diligence and/or know through experience exactly w

Brian is A1712. My name is Mike Lawson. I look forward to talking later.

Ok Mike!! lol

 

Very True Capt. Bob.. FYI, do you know that the head designer that worked for St Croix for 17 years is Mike Thorson? Do you also know that Mike Thorson has been our VP of Engineering for 13 years since he left St Croix? You should check out the RainShadow line if you like the St Croix blanks! Hint Hint! 

 

 

 

 

Yes I agree, and my rod builder builds more rods on RainShadow Blanks than any other. I think they offer a very good rod for the money.

 I have one thing no other Rod manufacturer in the world offers, and that's the warranty options available from St. Croix. After over 30 years running my own Charters and Guiding, I fish for myself, and today I want the "best for me", regardless of cost. When I find a company that over and over again deliver flawless service and products,,,,, I keep coming back till one of those things change, The way it looks, I have no reason to look elsewhere at this time. But should that change, I would be more than happy to go with a RainShadow build.

Mike, it was really nice waiting for your call last night. Thank you for the hurry up and wait time.

I think it's funny when people complain about their off the shelf rods not being up to their standards. Like some guy in china gives a crap.

I think it's funny when people complain about their off the shelf rods not being up to their standards. Like some guy in china gives a crap.

LMAO good one!

Yes I agree, and my rod builder builds more rods on RainShadow Blanks than any other. I think they offer a very good rod for the money.

 I have one thing no other Rod manufacturer in the world offers, and that's the warranty options available from St. Croix. After over 30 years running my own Charters and Guiding, I fish for myself, and today I want the "best for me", regardless of cost. When I find a company that over and over again deliver flawless service and products,,,,, I keep coming back till one of those things change, The way it looks, I have no reason to look elsewhere at this time. But should that change, I would be more than happy to go with a RainShadow build.

Thank you for the kind words Capt. Bob... Glad they have treated you well. 

 

As in terms of warranty options, are you talking about a factory built rod or a custom? Most people in the custom market have a decent warranty. Ours is a limited lifetime. Even if you break it on purpose, you will still only pay a minimal fee to replace. 

 

Warranties are a funny subject.. But different subject for a different time. ;)

Mike, it was really nice waiting for your call last night. Thank you for the hurry up and wait time.

My apology. We didn't set a time and I got your voice mail. As I said in the message call me at your convenience and I'll stop whatever I'm doing. 

My apology. We didn't set a time and I got your voice mail. As I said in the message call me at your convenience and I'll stop whatever I'm doing.

Just joking with you Mike, I'll call you today.

Wayne

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Mike at DVT buitlt my first custom rod. I asked for the "Perfect Senko Rod" and relied

on his professional expertise in choosing components. I also sent him the reel I was

intending to dedicate to the rig so that he could tweak the balsnce and created a truely

personalized custom rod.

 

I will be working with Batson for my next build. The goal is a rod that is superior to the

G.Loomis NXR 893C and at a better price!  The blank is an Immortal, Toray Rebel reel

seat and Alps Titanium Guides.  Getting jazzed!

 

 

 

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I've built three rods on Immortal blanks, none for myself, but I did have them out to give 'em a spin before they left my hands. All I can say is I think the Immortal series are the best bang-for-the-buck blanks you can find right now. They are very light and very sensitive. Seem to be strong as well. As far as durability goes, we'll have to wait and see. They haven't been out long enough to make that determination, but I'm betting they will hold up over time. They also offer a very wide selection of lengths, powers and actions.

 

Kent, I think you're going to be happy with your new stick.

Thank you for the kind words Capt. Bob... Glad they have treated you well. 

 

As in terms of warranty options, are you talking about a factory built rod or a custom? Most people in the custom market have a decent warranty. Ours is a limited lifetime. Even if you break it on purpose, you will still only pay a minimal fee to replace. 

 

Warranties are a funny subject.. But different subject for a different time. ;)

St. Croix backs their custom "BLANK's" the same as their factory built rod's. the Builder you choose determines the accessories built to that blank.  That's why I use the builder I do, he takes care of reinstalling everything else if there is a problem, as he does all the custom grip and cork work by hand and stands behind that, the guides are lifetime from recoil, and the fly/spin reel seats on the lighter rods, and one piece seats from fugi on the larger power rods, are easily removed and replaced, if one were damaged it would be a cost of the gripframe only, and that's pretty cheap. So I pick my builder the same way I do who I get my rods from,,,, so far I'm pretty pleased with both.

St. Croix backs their custom "BLANK's" the same as their factory built rod's. the Builder you choose determines the accessories built to that blank.  That's why I use the builder I do, he takes care of reinstalling everything else if there is a problem, as he does all the custom grip and cork work by hand and stands behind that, the guides are lifetime from recoil, and the fly/spin reel seats on the lighter rods, and one piece seats from fugi on the larger power rods, are easily removed and replaced, if one were damaged it would be a cost of the gripframe only, and that's pretty cheap. So I pick my builder the same way I do who I get my rods from,,,, so far I'm pretty pleased with both.

Capt. good to see you back. A lot of time can go into a custom grip. When you say the builder stands behind his grips you mean if something happens to it, or he eats it if the blank goes kaput? 

Mike at DVT buitlt my first custom rod. I asked for the "Perfect Senko Rod" and relied

on his professional expertise in choosing components. I also sent him the reel I was

intending to dedicate to the rig so that he could tweak the balsnce and created a truely

personalized custom rod.

I will be working with Batson for my next build. The goal is a rod that is superior to the

G.Loomis NXR 893C and at a better price! The blank is an Immortal, Toray Rebel reel

seat and Alps Titanium Guides. Getting jazzed!

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That's good to hear.. Years ago I had 4 tuna rods built. I don't remember the builders name, I do remember he was a Native American living in Ct.

He built a superb rod.

I'm confident Mike will do a good job for me and price should be fair. If all goes well I'm going to get crazy and go it with all custom rods.

Capt. good to see you back. A lot of time can go into a custom grip. When you say the builder stands behind his grips you mean if something happens to it, or he eats it if the blank goes kaput? 

Thanks!! good to be back! He will redo all his work If the rod fails, when he builds me a rod on a lifetime blank, he rebuilds the rod with the same materials he built it with in the beginning, so yes he can save that grip and put it back on. If I would break a handle,,,, I don't know how,,,, I would think he would charge me to fix that, but to take that handle off and put all the components back on a broken rod,,,, he covers it, and yes I have seen him remove a handle from a broken blank, after St. Croix has been contacted. He reams the rod out of the handle material, and it is just as new. I had a cork on a rod that was left in the boat over winter that he had built. I had a mouse get in it and chewed on that front grip, another builder said he would have to remove the guides and do it from the front, cost was not worth it. He removed the bad section, made a new ring, fractured it so it wasn't a cut seam to be noticeable when epoxied back together, fit it and put it back in between the two good sections and you couldn't tell it was ever broke,,,, thats with a multi color front grip made with ring sections to begin with,  without removing any guides, and it looks like new and you can't find the repair!! Said it took about a half hour, cost me $15.00

Mike at DVT buitlt my first custom rod. I asked for the "Perfect Senko Rod" and relied

on his professional expertise in choosing components. I also sent him the reel I was

intending to dedicate to the rig so that he could tweak the balsnce and created a truely

personalized custom rod.

 

I will be working with Batson for my next build. The goal is a rod that is superior to the

G.Loomis NXR 893C and at a better price!  The blank is an Immortal, Toray Rebel reel

seat and Alps Titanium Guides.  Getting jazzed!

 

 

 

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Great to hear this!! Thank you so much for the support. We have found the the Immortal is on par with most of the "HM" blanks that are out there. The Eternity2 is a bit better in all areas. Toray reel seat, well enough said when its the only pure carbon fiber reel seat. Its expensive, but if your building the ultimate rod, it is the best choice. Wow ALPS Titanium too, your going all out roadwarrior!  

 

I've built three rods on Immortal blanks, none for myself, but I did have them out to give 'em a spin before they left my hands. All I can say is I think the Immortal series are the best bang-for-the-buck blanks you can find right now. They are very light and very sensitive. Seem to be strong as well. As far as durability goes, we'll have to wait and see. They haven't been out long enough to make that determination, but I'm betting they will hold up over time. They also offer a very wide selection of lengths, powers and actions.

 

Kent, I think you're going to be happy with your new stick.

Great to hear!!! We need to get you an Immortal for yourself!  Thank you for the kind words! If we can help in anyway, please let us know! 

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Great to hear this!! Thank you so much for the support. We have found the the Immortal is on par with most of the "HM" blanks that are out there. The Eternity2 is a bit better in all areas. Toray reel seat, well enough said when its the only pure carbon fiber reel seat. Its expensive, but if your building the ultimate rod, it is the best choice. Wow ALPS Titanium too, your going all out roadwarrior!  

 

Great to hear!!! We need to get you an Immortal for yourself!  Thank you for the kind words! If we can help in anyway, please let us know! 

 

I must have misread my notes...Correction: I will be using the Eternity2 blank.

 

-Kent

I must have misread my notes...Correction: I will be using the Eternity2 blank.

 

-Kent

I guessed as much. I enjoy the reviews of the Mods, staff and members here and look forward to your impressions. 

  • Super User

I must have misread my notes...Correction: I will be using the Eternity2 blank.

 

-Kent

Might be even better. I've planned to go with the E2 blank when I get time build one for myself. I'll be very interested to hear your review.

  • Super User

I wish the E2 came in the Titanium color.

It can, if you order enough of a single model!

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