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I've been trying to fish with a frog and the problem I am having is almost every time a get a fish to react, it isn't taking it under water. It's as if if it hits it and then nothing. I am not feeling it in fast and I have tried letting the fish just sit after that happens and still nothing. No reaction after I twitch it or start moving it again. The other night this happened close to 10 times. So what are the fish trying to tell me?

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Maybe they can't locate your frog or can't see it well enough. You might try a different color or adding some BB's for noise and weight.

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Color/Profile is what comes to mind for me. Sometimes they will decide at the last second to not indulge and their momentum will turn into those half-as** blowups. Cadence can also be very important.

It is my humble fishing opinion (anecdotal experience) that the majority of the time a quick, but TIGHT (meaning lots of movement without moving the frog a far distance with each jerk) walk works more often than a cadence with a lot of pausing. While pausing can work exceptionally well at times, keeping the frog moving gives the fish less time to think, less time to get a good look, and gives your frog a "fleeing" appearance, and we know fleeing draws good reactions from bass.

Use less pausing to start, and when a fish misses your frog, keep moving as if it never happened (fleeing) gets me the most re-strikes.

Hope this helps.

 

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1 hour ago, Bluebasser86 said:

Maybe they can't locate your frog or can't see it well enough. You might try a different color or adding some BB's for noise and weight.

Colors I have tried yellow, white and black and it makes no difference.

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I have had this happen alot to me lately. Very frustrating.  Great blow ups but they don't take it. Line never gets tight to set the hook. I've gotten to where I rarely use a frog any more. I'm now hooked on Texas rigged soft plastics, whether it be a craw, swimbait, tubes, worm, lizard etc. I fish top, middle bottom with them and hook ups are awesome. Very efficient. 

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Would a trailer hook be an option in the cover you fish?

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I personally do not use trailer hooks. From what I've experienced, the bass inhale these baits when they see them. Even when I may burn or fish one over thick vegetation, they eat the bait. Adding a trailer hook defeats my purpose of Texas rigging them. I want to be weed less so I can fish any where. In more open water a trailer hook is an option.  Some people use them all the time. Some do occasionally and some never. I have a few in my tackle box, but I never use them. I should try them on slow days, in case I am missing strikes. 

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I don't think a trailer hook would work well for me. Fishing pads and hydrilla that is many times coming up to the water surface.

1 hour ago, BassB8Caster said:

I have had this happen alot to me lately. Very frustrating.  Great blow ups but they don't take it. Line never gets tight to set the hook.

Exactly what I'm talking about. 

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Colors, size, add rattles and then sometimes it still happens. Funny I swear everytime I can't seem to get a hookup I switch to the spro Halloween color and they go crazy lol.  That color is my game on color on a twilight zone days.

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I know that lots of times its my fault for getting too excited on a blow up and yank too fast. But I have lots of times where I don't do anything and frog pops back up to surface. Line never goes tight. Perhaps there is something with my frog that they pick up on right when they hit it that tells them it's not real and they spit it right away? Braid would give me a good hook set. I fish a booyah pad crasher popper frog. I did shorten the legs a bit. 

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FWIW............Rock bass and Bluegills will blow up on a frog like a 7lb bass..........

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what kind of frog are you using? I was using a lunker hunter the last time out and they would hit it, but I couldn't get them hooked up, I finally got one close enough to see what was going on, they were grabbing it by the legs and pulling it under. I switched to a pad crasher and hooked up 3 in a row. 

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if you have gone through the colors, try the junior size frogs.

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I dont think anything is wrong with your presentation or colors. I think its simply a phase of time when the bass in your are wont commit to a frog. Try a plastic frog like a ribbit with a treble instead of a worm hook. Or a texas rigged fluke weightless on the surface. Its just a matter of time till they commit or you find something else they will inhale

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IF they are bass, they're telling you that you are doing something right, just not enough to get them to commit. You've tried changing colors and maybe size and possibly adding rattles. I suggest two things; Speed up your retrieve. They will either ignore your bait, or aggressively hit it. Change baits to something similar like a rat or a different brand frog. if you were using a soft plastic frog, switch to paddle feet. Last, but not least, switch to something subsurface  

You have figured out the hardest part of the puzzle, finding the fish. Don't give up on them. 

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given my VAST frogging experience (i started 2 weeks ago), i think it's important to distinguish between a truly missed hookset (ie frog actually getting into the bass's mouth and going underwater), vs a missed strike (bass slapping at it). having seen a ton of missed strikes already in only 2 weeks of frogging, i suspect this happens a ton -- with no intention on the bass's behalf of actually swallowing the frog that time. i agree with papajoe22 -- you're on the fish, now you just have to adjust something to get them to eat it. don't give up (don't ever give up), it's fun!

here's a video i took of what i assume is one single bass, bumping up my pad crasher jr into the air four times in a matter of three consecutive casts. the second one is the best -- the thing goes like a foot into the air!

BOINGGGG (youtube)

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3 hours ago, frosty said:

what kind of frog are you using? I was using a lunker hunter the last time out and they would hit it, but I couldn't get them hooked up, I finally got one close enough to see what was going on, they were grabbing it by the legs and pulling it under. I switched to a pad crasher and hooked up 3 in a row. 

Using Strike King Sexy Frogs.

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Yeah, they are likely grabbing the legs and pulling under.  Find bigger fish and you're golden.

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I fish the same areas, I keep my retrieve fast from bank or boat. Unless it is on-top of matted grass/slop, then I'll do fast retrieve with pauses. I can also vouch for orange bottom (Halloween) frogs when they will not commit(just bumping) to white. 

How shallow are the pads you are fishing? If its over bluegill beds, that is probably what is grabbing the legs or bumping the frog. I catch plenty of smaller bass on frogs

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Frog is not on the menu, but top water still is, if they are missing it. It almost sounds like they are not bass to be missing so many of them. In case they are bass, follow up with a fluke. 

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20 hours ago, ww2farmer said:

FWIW............Rock bass and Bluegills will blow up on a frog like a 7lb bass..........

This right here! I had a fish blow up on a frog and take it under three times in the same place before I figured out it was a bluegill. There are BIG bluegill in this place. I've caught one on a Spook.

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Sometimes Big Bass Stun a frog like they do with big shiners and then circle back to take it under...This can take up to 30 seconds as they will examine it, I usually wait if it does not go under and let it sit, then barely shake it like it is hurt, if nothing happens I slowly move it away, kill it, then speed up like  it is getting away.

Sometimes they just smack it and that is it, just don't want to commit, Often a smaller frog will work, or a different action, I find if I slow down I get more solid strikes. Rattle vs Non rattle matters as does color...

But be patient, a 50% hook up ratio is about normal, figure you only hook up with 70% of treble hook topwater strikes since many are not bass, or they miss it, or just don't want it but as mentioned, follow up with a soft bait and don't give up on the fish. I rarely throw the frog back if I have a fish miss it or I pull it out of its mouth, I know they will sometimes hit it again but I find that is rare for bigger fish. I follow up with a SK Caffiene Shad Fluke, or a Flipping bait if over grass, but on mats it is different, they probably can't find it and you want to go SLOW and steady, erratic causes them to miss. I find most guys including myself work a frog to fast on top of heavy cover, they will come from far if you work it slow and if they miss, those fish will often hit a flipped creature as soon as it hits the water.

Worst case, mark the spot and come back if it sounded big...You know when it is a big fish, they just use suction to take it under with little splash many times, a Slurp that sounds small is often a big one under a Mat.

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the legs on the frog probably need trimmed.  all frogs come with extra long legs so you can trim them to our liking.

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Dude.  Those are dinks!  Short fish swipe at stuff too.  If you want to know for sure though, keep a finesse punch rig ready and when they miss it next time put a mendota tube or something right in there...  Eventually you'll find out what is slapping your bait around.  I'd be willing to bet it's 1lbers or juvie pickerel or something.

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