35 minutes ago, Further North said:

Not a challenge, but I'm curious: if not lubricating a knot tied with fluoro doesn't "burn" it (which to me means heats up the outer layer), why does it still curl up like a pig's tail if not lubed?

Because it is still breaking at or near the knot. 

8 hours ago, Further North said:

Not a challenge, but I'm curious: if not lubricating a knot tied with fluoro doesn't "burn" it (which to me means heats up the outer layer), why does it still curl up like a pig's tail if not lubed?

Not taken as a challenge, just a good question!  The first is the science behind it and it is clear that fluorocarbon has a lower level of heat conductivity than monofilament lines. Lower, not higher.

 

I think the second part just needs a clarification on my part . . . that I'm not against lubricating fluorocarbon line when tying knots. I always do it. I just don't do thinking I am preventing line burn that is specific to fluoro more so than monofilament. In both cases, I do it to allow the knots to configure properly. Without doing it, say looking at a fluoro knot under a strong magnifying glass, might appear more "open." That's a knot that is going to work loose quickly. 

 

Braid? It doesn't require any lubrication at all but ever so often, I find myself by habit running the line through my lips before I tug it together.

 

*** One other knot factoid: for most fishing knots, you shouldn't pull its tag end to complete the knot. Doing so weakens it, not strengthens it. 

 

Knots: we should all talk. I even see some of the great pros get it wrong at times. The great angler, Aaron Martens, does something wrong, recommends it, with his Alberto/Albright junction knot, for example. But, he has a scientific mind and he'd readily make the adjustment if presented with the evidence. It'd take me 3 minutes to alter his views with a pencil and piece of paper to illustrate a point.

 

Brad

6 hours ago, Brad in Texas said:

Not taken as a challenge, just a good question!  The first is the science behind it and it is clear that fluorocarbon has a lower level of heat conductivity than monofilament lines. Lower, not higher.

 

I think the second part just needs a clarification on my part . . . that I'm not against lubricating fluorocarbon line when tying knots. I always do it. I just don't do thinking I am preventing line burn that is specific to fluoro more so than monofilament. In both cases, I do it to allow the knots to configure properly. Without doing it, say looking at a fluoro knot under a strong magnifying glass, might appear more "open." That's a knot that is going to work loose quickly. 

 

Braid? It doesn't require any lubrication at all but ever so often, I find myself by habit running the line through my lips before I tug it together.

 

*** One other knot factoid: for most fishing knots, you shouldn't pull its tag end to complete the knot. Doing so weakens it, not strengthens it. 

 

Knots: we should all talk. I even see some of the great pros get it wrong at times. The great angler, Aaron Martens, does something wrong, recommends it, with his Alberto/Albright junction knot, for example. But, he has a scientific mind and he'd readily make the adjustment if presented with the evidence. It'd take me 3 minutes to alter his views with a pencil and piece of paper to illustrate a point.

 

Brad

Thanks!

I’m going to try that San Diego Jam knot and check out that other video with 3 tag ends.