How does seaguar invizx compare to tatsu?

[woolleyfooley]

Let me get this out of the way, this isn’t a “which is better” thread. I’ve only ever used seaguar tatsu as far as FC goes. I have some invizx that was gifted to me and I’m curious how it compares to tatsu.

 

I use FC for bottom contact baits, weightless senkos and also on my spinnerbait/chatterbait/swim jig setup. All on baitcasters fwiw. 

 

Basically, I’d like to know the characteristics of both lines and the differences between the two. Obviously I’d like to hear from people who have used both. 

Thanks in advance!

[Glenn]

InvizX is an all-around, multi-purpose line with great abrasion resistance without the "wirey" characteristics of other FCs.  It casts well and handles great with low memory and stretch.  It's great for virtually every bass lure/technique, with the exception of heavy weeds which is more suitable for braid.  It's my go-to for baitcasting situations.

 

Tatsu is more supple and, therefore, more castable.  It has very low memory and stretch, but at the same time, it's quite strong. Its characteristics allow for better presentations on slow-moving lures like Senkos, as well as all finesse tactics.  I like it for Senkos, crankbaits, and spinning gear.

[WRB]

Invisx is similar to Sunline Sniper and Tatsu similar to Shooter FC, all the same diameter per lb test.

Todays Tatsu has a little less memory then Shooter, equal knot and abrasion strength. Invisx and Sniper are equal in every aspect  imo. 
I use Tatsu 12 lb today as a main line it’s a little less expensive per yard of line then Shooter.

Tom

 

[woolleyfooley]

Thank you both for your responses. I use 25lb tatsu on my flippin/pitchin/t-rig/jig rod. I’ve never worried about throwing it into thick Florida weeds. Do you think I’ve just been lucky? I really don’t like braid for bottom contact baits. I much prefer fluoro. I feel like tatsu is pretty strong.
 

Between invizx and tatsu, which is better for moving baits like spinnerbaits, chatter baits, swim jigs and maybe some small swim baits? 
 

I’m curious about the stretch aspect. From what I’ve seen, invizx is one of the worst lines as it pertains to stretch. Multiple tests including This one show it has the most stretch. Unfortunately tatsu isn’t included in that test.

 

With that in mind, how do the 2 lines compare in terms of stretch? Hopefully some members have experience with both. Which would you say has more stretch? 
 

Any other opinions from people who have used both would be very appreciated!

[WRB]

There isn’t a line stretch test approved method. The most important factor testing plastic is force over time and rate of force applied. TT is using a 3 pound weight or approximately 25% of rated 12 lb line strength. The claim a short time of applied force but not defined seconds or minutes.

Fluorocarbon line isn’t hygroscopic so soaking in water should have zero affect.

Nylon Trilene is hygroscopic water does affect physical properties.

Strech is the line elongating to force if the force reached yield strength the elongation is permeate.

The lines tested have a yield strength approximately 33% of ultimate strength.

25% is well below the yield strength of lines tested. You can only evaluate line by equal diameter. 
Fluorocarbon FC line has 2 negative physical properties, low impact strength and deformation ( cold flow) time under stress. Cold flow and impact strength shows up as poor knot strength. This is the reason so many different knots have been tried to resolved this issue.

Bottom line is FC or mono doesn’t stretch under the low force retrieving lures. What felt is the bow in the going through water straightens out under more force.

 To answer your question which line is better only you can determine which line performs better in your opinion

Tom

[Glenn]

2 hours ago, woolleyfooley said:

Between invizx and tatsu, which is better for moving baits like spinnerbaits, chatter baits, swim jigs and maybe some small swim baits? 

I use InvizX for those.

 

As for line stretch?  I'm not concerned about it.  I have no problems hooking and landing fish using fluoro, braid, co-poly, or mono.  I think it's one of those things that we bass anglers tend to overthink and emphasize too much.  There are other, more important factors to focus on, such as proper hook and rod selection, hookset and fish-fighting techniques, etc.

[HawkeyeSmallie]

I’ve used both this year.

 

The Tatsu got used for the first time last week on a swimbait combo.

 

Had one backlash and I couldn’t even tell it was fluorocarbon.

 

SO much better.

 

d**n expensive though.

 

 

[woolleyfooley]

20 hours ago, Glenn said:

I use InvizX for those.

 

As for line stretch?  I'm not concerned about it.  I have no problems hooking and landing fish using fluoro, braid, co-poly, or mono.  I think it's one of those things that we bass anglers tend to overthink and emphasize too much.  There are other, more important factors to focus on, such as proper hook and rod selection, hookset and fish-fighting techniques, etc.

Thanks you @Glenn! Any particular reason to use invizx over tatsu for those applications? Any reason I shouldn’t use tatsu for those applications?

21 hours ago, WRB said:

There isn’t a line stretch test approved method. The most important factor testing plastic is force over time and rate of force applied. TT is using a 3 pound weight or approximately 25% of rated 12 lb line strength. The claim a short time of applied force but not defined seconds or minutes.

Fluorocarbon line isn’t hygroscopic so soaking in water should have zero affect.

Nylon Trilene is hygroscopic water does affect physical properties.

Strech is the line elongating to force if the force reached yield strength the elongation is permeate.

The lines tested have a yield strength approximately 33% of ultimate strength.

25% is well below the yield strength of lines tested. You can only evaluate line by equal diameter. 
Fluorocarbon FC line has 2 negative physical properties, low impact strength and deformation ( cold flow) time under stress. Cold flow and impact strength shows up as poor knot strength. This is the reason so many different knots have been tried to resolved this issue.

Bottom line is FC or mono doesn’t stretch under the low force retrieving lures. What felt is the bow in the going through water straightens out under more force.

 To answer your question which line is better only you can determine which line performs better in your opinion

Tom

Interesting. Thank you for that detailed response! So if I’m reading correctly, are you saying that hard hook sets can break fluorocarbon easier than other lines? I’m thinking about hard hook sets on jigs and flipping hooks. 

[Glenn]

It's mostly a cost thing.  If I could afford to use Tatsu on everything, I would.

[woolleyfooley]

4 minutes ago, Glenn said:

It's mostly a cost thing.  If I could afford to use Tatsu on everything, I would.

Ok, thank you!

[WRB]

22 minutes ago, woolleyfooley said:

Thanks you @Glenn! Any particular reason to use invizx over tatsu for those applications? Any reason I shouldn’t use tatsu for those applications?

Interesting. Thank you for that detailed response! So if I’m reading correctly, are you saying that hard hook sets can break fluorocarbon easier than other lines? I’m thinking about hard hook sets on jigs and flipping hooks. 

You don’t need a hard cross the eyes hook set with todays sharp hooks.

When casting lures including  jigs over 60’ I use the reel set with firm rod sweep.

More vertices hooks sets are an upward fast lift and reel. Avoid snap sets that don’t move the lure and may result in knot failures.

Tom

[woolleyfooley]

13 minutes ago, WRB said:

You don’t need a hard cross the eyes hook set with todays sharp hooks.

When casting lures including  jigs over 60’ I use the reel set with firm rod sweep.

More vertices hooks sets are an upward fast lift and reel. Avoid snap sets that don’t move the lure and may result in knot failures.

Tom

Makes sense! Thanks!

[woolleyfooley]

On 9/20/2024 at 4:51 PM, WRB said:

You don’t need a hard cross the eyes hook set with todays sharp hooks.

When casting lures including  jigs over 60’ I use the reel set with firm rod sweep.

More vertices hooks sets are an upward fast lift and reel. Avoid snap sets that don’t move the lure and may result in knot failures.

Tom

@WRB forgive me, but can you explain what you mean by “reel set”? 

[WRB]

7 hours ago, woolleyfooley said:

@WRB forgive me, but can you explain what you mean by “reel set”? 

Reel set is when you detect a strike reeling the line tight fast while lowering the rod to load it then a firm rod sweep.

Tom

[woolleyfooley]

16 hours ago, WRB said:

Reel set is when you detect a strike reeling the line tight fast while lowering the rod to load it then a firm rod sweep.

Tom

Thanks!

[woolleyfooley]

Anyone else have any experience with both lines?

[Texas Flood]

I used InvizX for awhile but was never a big fan(memory/knot strength). Started using Tatsu this summer and so far I am quite impressed. The price isnt great but you can get a pretty good deal on them at Amazon.

 

 

I switched from FC Sniper to Tatsu when I started to noticed FC wasnt as abrasion resistant like I thought it was when fishing around rocks. 

[woolleyfooley]

7 minutes ago, Texas Flood said:

I used InvizX for awhile but was never a big fan(memory/knot strength). Started using Tatsu this summer and so far I am quite impressed. The price isnt great but you can get a pretty good deal on them at Amazon.

 

 

I switched from FC Sniper to Tatsu when I started to noticed FC wasnt as abrasion resistant like I thought it was when fishing around rocks. 

Thank you! That’s good to know! I did find great deals on tatsu on Amazon. Almost too good to be true prices for 1000yd spools. 
 

As far as sniper, are you saying that tatsu has better abrasion resistance than sniper? 

[Texas Flood]

6 minutes ago, woolleyfooley said:

Thank you! That’s good to know! I did find great deals on tatsu on Amazon. Almost too good to be true prices for 1000yd spools. 
 

As far as sniper, are you saying that tatsu has better abrasion resistance than sniper? 

I have a couple of the 1000yd spools. 

 

So far I think Tatsu is better with abrasion but Ive only been using it since July.

[txchaser]

I mostly use tatsu. If I had a spool of invisx around I'd use it on cranking setups, the stretch difference is noticeable to me, and a little more give especially on smaller hooks is usually a good thing. 

[woolleyfooley]

18 hours ago, txchaser said:

I mostly use tatsu. If I had a spool of invisx around I'd use it on cranking setups, the stretch difference is noticeable to me, and a little more give especially on smaller hooks is usually a good thing. 

Thank you! To clarify, are you saying that invizx has more stretch than tatsu?

[msgf91]

I only have experience with 4 lb tatsu. So far it seems like the best of both worlds. Like they combined AbrazX with InvisX. It's not quite as supple and manageable as InvisX or Sniper but it's incredibly abrasive resistant. Normally when I use 4 lb Sniper or Samurai FC I need to feel for nicks in the line after catching 4 to 5 good size bass. Or just pulling the line over rocks and brush can cause nicks. But with tatsu I probably went 4 to 5 trips before I finally broke off. I didn't even blame the line because I hooked a gar.  Or that's what I think it was. 

 

When I first started using Tatsu I was not impressed at all. I felt like sniper was easier to use. Then I realized how smooth the line was still after 5 trips. Of course YMMV, it could just be the place I had been fishing at doesn't tear up my line like other places do. 

[txchaser]

On 9/27/2024 at 4:09 PM, woolleyfooley said:

Thank you! To clarify, are you saying that invizx has more stretch than tatsu?

Yes Invisx has more stretch.