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not happy with flourocarbon line.

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I just recieved an order from triple fish today. I got 2 spools of flourcarbon line, one 6# and one 8# to use as leader material when using powerpro on those clear days. just for the hell of it I tested the new t.f. lines to see how strong they where by suspending some weights from them. the 6# could only hold 2 to 3lbs and the 8# 4 or 5#. half the time they broke with less weight. allmost all breaks were not at the knots. except for uni to uni knots witch broke at the knots. I also tried some 15# seagar flourcarbon and that held together at only 10# sometimes. I'm very disapointed with these results and won't consider using these lines. maybe i'll try some other brand or maybe use mono for a leader. but not before testing it. what do you guys think?

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That's odd. I've been using Triple Fish Fluorocarbon for years and haven't had a breakage problem with it at all. At first I didn't like the memory but KVD Line and Lure took care of that.

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You may have a "bad run" of the product.

Contact the manufacturer and find out if you can return the line to them and get replacements while they test the product you purchased.

The KVD Lure and Line Conditioner is a must so please consider purchasing some and using it.

I have never had a problem with any brand of flouro but I am changing to Yo-Zuri Ultra and Ultra Hybird as those two lines perform beautifully on spinning rigs.

Let us know what happens when you contact the manufacturer.  :)

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Hmm...

I must have a "bad run", too.

::)

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Hmm, that's interesting. I have a spool of Triple Fish fluoro but I haven't fished it yet so I haven't discovered any breaking issues. I have to say I do think it has less memory than other flourocarbons that I have tried.

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Every one I know that has used this line thinks it's crap, so I have stayed away. Must be alot of 'bad runs" of this line out there. I know it's a few bucks cheaper, but line is the last thing i want to get "cheap" with.

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Anomaly, maybe!

The knot breaking maybe do to the line issue.  

Weak line will break prematurely at the knots.  

Nevertheless, if a perfect knot is tied and the line is in perfect condition it should always break at the knot, unless someone on this board knows a knot that test better than 100% of the line test. If you can get close to 90% or  or better than your knot tying skills are good.

Was the line exposed to high heat levels?  I once had a spool of leader material I left in the truck for ONE DAY over the summer while fishing in the keys and it was worthless, kept breaking way under its test rating.

Try a different manufactures flouro leader and repeat your test.  I suggest P-Line.

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no word from triple fish yet. I ran a few more tests today. I retested the seauar flourocarbon line rated 15 lb. test. after several test, it held 10 lbs. twice, breaking after like 10 seconds. is that good? I'm not sure. what do you think? also, just for the hell of it,I tested some powerpro 15 lb test. about 3' in length with a uni to uni in the middle section. the powerpro held for about 1 minute then failed, but not at the knots. I got it to hold with 12.5 lbs. and it looks like it could hold forever. now thats some strong stuff. I wish I could find some leader material with some balls like powerpro. I'll give the p-line a shot before I completly give up on flourocarbon.

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get the berkley %100 flouro.  its awsome.  I started throwing it last year and have only had one bass break off.  I was bed one day with 15lb test and caught 20 bass all over 3 pounds and never retied.

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Maybe we're on to something here. Fatboyjoe is to be commended for conducting some tests that at least approach scientific. Perhap's not up to Stanford of MIT, but better than "I caught some fish and it works fine."  Perhaps line manufacturers are consistently over-rating the strength of their lines...wouldn't be the first time an industry tried to scam their customers. I think I'll try and replicate Fatboyjoe's experiments to see if I get similar results.

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If you're wanting to test the line strength, and NOT the KNOT strength, there should be no knot at all.  You need to find a way to connect to the weight without a knot (such as a no-knot cleat).  Then AFTER determining the line strength you can test different knots to see which has the best strength for you.

When you do test the knots make sure you moisten the line before tying.

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Vekol, "Perhaps line manufacturers are consistently over-rating the strength of their lines...wouldn't be the first time an industry tried to scam their customers."

Quite the opposite is true, most lines break well above their pound test rating so they are grossly under-rated. Mostly the IGFA certified lines break close to their advertized strength.

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Wayne,

We just had a gentleman make an observation based on something more than what someone else says. I for one would like to know if it has any validity--the only way to do that is to see if I can replicate the experiments. Admittedly, his, and likely mine, will not be truly scientific. But they will be close enough that we should be able to determine if there is significant over-estimation, or under-estimation as you suggest, of stated line strength.

I know of no entity such as Consumer Reports for fishing equipment, or outdoor equipment in general for that matter. Correct me if I'm wrong, but IGFA does not fact check manufacturer's claims. Anything you read in a magazine or see on TV is suspect because everyone has sponsors and no one wants to offend a current or potential sponsor. So I guess it is up to us to find out for ourselves. Fortunately, unlike the relative effectiveness of lures, scents, etc. line strength is something pretty easy to test.

I've got several spools of fluoro sitting around, as wel as some mono. I'll test them, and post the results. Unfortunatly, I don't have any Triplefish line (never heard of it before, and don't remember seeing it in any stores either) so that aspect of fatboyjoe's ascertions will have to go un-tested. At least by me.

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Vekol,

The IGFA doesn't test mfr claims, but if you are submitting a catch for an IGFA record they actually test the line you used.  If a line is IGFA-rated it must break very close to the stated rating.  Other lines will typically hold at least 10% more than they are rated for.

But once again, the key is to test it without a knot.

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Every one I know that has used this line thinks it's crap, so I have stayed away. Must be alot of 'bad runs" of this line out there. I know it's a few bucks cheaper, but line is the last thing i want to get "cheap" with.

I'm with ya on this one.  I tried it and it was as weak as a spider web.  Just looking at it crossed eyed and it broke.  Needless to say, it's not in the fishing arsenal.

Mark

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Tackletour tested a bunch of fluorocarbons sometime last year. If I remember right they had knot strength and line strength. As already stated almost all lines broke above rated test. I think Vanish might have been the only one that broke under.

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Well....

What are the proper knots for flourocarbon?? I have had horrible luck with various flourcarbon lines. I have had the line snap on more than one occasion and not always at the knot. I will continue to try this season, working on it with BPS XPS Flourocarbon and KVD Line and Lure.

ajr

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If you have to go through all this, what's the point?? I use braid for most applications, but for Crankin and sight fishing, I want to learn to manage flouro. I guess that's the nature of the beast. If I have something that's difficult, I try to work on it until I get it. :)

ajr

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triple fish responded to my email. I sent them my line to test. I'll let you all know what happens.  

Hi Joe,  I am very dissapointed to hear of your testing with our lines.  All of our lines are tested several ways in Germany to insure that we are within the specifications (ie diameter, tensile strenght) etc etc of rated lb test.  However there are times where mistakes occur in mislabeling which does occasionally happen but not very often.  Dave Burkhardt our president would like to take a look at your spools and test them at our warehouse in Clermont, Florida as he needs to see these types of things so that things can be corrected if needed.  Again I apologize for your dissapointment.  We are very proud of our lines and will do what it takes to make things right.

Respectfully,

Mike Bucca

Triple Fish International, LLC

1240 Commons Court

Clermont, FL 34711

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