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So Yall Want To Learn Toledo Bend?

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Y'all get a Hook-N-Line map so we will be on the same page & I'll start an on-line class.

The first class will be summer patterns some other tools y'all need are to be proficient in one or more of the following techniques.

Texas Rigs

Carolina Rigs

Jig-N-Craw

Deep Crank Baits

Jigging Spoons

Drop Shot Rig

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Well then I'll with Lowe's Creek which is when it all began some 36 years ago

Looking at your map find the mouth of Lowe's Creek, next look to the south and you will find Millionaire Point. You should also see a hump marked 22' a little to the east of the point with the creek passing to the north side of both the point and the hump.

Next look south from Millionaire Point and you will see a 22' ridge running down across the boat lane and stopping at Cypress Slash; it short distance from there still heading south is another hump.

Notice Lowe's creek and the Sabine River channel in relation to the point, hump, ridge, and island? You want to position the boat on the side of the point, hump, ridge, and 2nd hump closest to the channels.

Next look at the words Oilwell Cove; look under the letters ve in the word cove and what do we see? That's right an underwater point in 22' foot of water that is near a creek and river channel intersection.

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Let's kick it up a notch  ;)

Since we are already in Oil Well Cove let's look at the whole area which includes Jessie Lowe Bay and try to decipher what is present. I see the Sabine River a short distance away plus an additional 3 creeks. That's 4 channel intersections with ridge, flats, humps, & an island all in one small area. We have water depths ranging from bank shallow out to 62+' in the river channel; we also have vegetation, brush, and timber for cover. This area can be fished with any lure presentation that is your strength.

One might ask how and where would I attack this area but I'll say that's unfair since I'm quite familiar with the area so y'all tell me how, where, & with what.

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I would concentrate on the three points out close to the river paying particular attention to the two points that are located on each side of the creek intersection just off the sharp bend in the river.

Early I would concentrate up a little shallower with crankbaits and plastics at the end of the ditch that runs due west off the river bend (This is in the Jesse Lowe cove)as well as along the creek banks working my way deeper as the sun begins to clear the tree tops. I would also work the underwater point coming off the main point where the river makes it's bend up against the point with crankbaits and plastics. This is the major point on the south end of Jesse Lowe Bay.

Midday I would work the deeper ends of the underwater points and if there is any grass in the bay I would work the deeper edges with plastics and jigs. Especially out off the ends of the points as well as the creek banks. I would check the point located between the river channel and the intersection of the three creeks several times during the day as well as the underwater point across the creek channel from it.

The road bed located on the south side of Millionaires point would be another early or late checkpoint as it has the deeper ditch running up to the edge. This creek or ditch could could be loaded with fish as it runs back to the major interesction of the other creeks and back out to the river. They could be located anywhere along depending to weather, water temp, and time of day.

The intersection of the old RR would be worth checking as I am sure there was at one time a tressel or a high grade crossing the creeks. The spur that runs toward the intersection of the three creeks would be an excellant place to check . I wqould just have to fish it to see if there was/is an elevated grade or old bridge. I suspect that there may be both.

Catt, please come down on me if I miss the obivious and go against any of your thoughts. I am here to learn and I can take a brow beating well. I have done very little fishing on the southern end of the lake.

Thanks, Jack

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Sorry I forgot to add the roadbed running off Millionaire's point that has the ditch cutting through it. The ditch as well as the rest of the point would be a great place to start using crankbaits, plastics, and jigs as long as it is not choaked up with grass. Then the frog and crawworm would come into play. I would work my way along the northern edge of the submerged point out to the deeper water.

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I don't know if y'all are aware of this site or not but for anyone interesting in fishing Rayburn or Toledo Bend I would suggest y'all read every page. This site list hundreds of tournaments fished from 2001-2006 on both lakes including areas fished and techniques used by the top 5 anglers or teams.

http://www.toledo-bend.com/lconline/index.asp

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Thanks Catt. When does our next class begin? I have fished the southern end a few times many years ago and I am ready for another lesson. Thanks for all you are willing to do.

Jack

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Patience is a virtue  ;)

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I'm a little put out with the members on this site.

Catt, is taking the time to give instructions on toledo bend and so far I am the only one that is making any attempt to be involved. I know most of you are not close to this lake, but so what! The first lesson was invaluable in ways to read a map and the type of deep water structure you should be looking for this time of year.. If you do not have a map, go on line and look one up just to help you with your map study. The areas he pointed out are duplicated on most lakes around the country. He has told us what to look for and how to line up and fish the areas. I am 59 years old and have been fishing tournaments since I was 16, and I cannot wait for further information.

Every day someone post for help fishing an area. If you will pay attention to what this man has to say it will really help each and every one of you. Even if you have no map of this lake it will help you understand the maps you have as well as the type of structure that you should attack at this time of year, reguardless of the lake you are fishing.

As for me, I am not tired of winning tournaments and plan on entering and placing in as many as my health will allow me to for the rest of my life. Get involved people. It will help you be a better fisherman.

It would be nice if some of the other fishermen in other parts of the country that are versed on their home waters would do the same.

Sorry for the rant, I'm off the soap box now.

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Trust me sir im very into it. I do live a good bit away but plan on making trips there yhis year that is why I asked for the help. I just need to get one of those maps that he mentioned. I've been reading every post and im waiting for more. Plus these tips also works on other lakes as well. So when catts ready he does have students here willing to learn. ;)

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Trust me sir im very into it. I do live a good bit away but plan on making trips there yhis year that is why I asked for the help. I just need to get one of those maps that he mentioned. I've been reading every post and im waiting for more. Plus these tips also works on other lakes as well. So when catts ready he does have students here willing to learn. ;)

Great, glad someone is paying attention. If you ever have to fish Sam Rayburn let me know and I will help you. I was afraid that he would cancel due to the lack of response. Thanks for replying.

I am sure Long Mike is paying attention also.

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Marsh Master if you do not have it I reccommend Navionics Hot Maps Explorer. It can be purchased for 19.95 from several different sites. I bought mine from Three Rivers Marine and they charged 8.95 shipping if you are interested.

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Sorry guys zoning out this week until Friday or as my wife likes to compare it to the Garth Brooks song Rodeo.

She does her best to hold him

When his love comes to call

But his need for it controls him

And her back's against the wall

And it's "So long girl, I'll see you"

When it's time for him to go

Jack most people haven't been bitten like we have & they don't get it  ;)

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Maybe you intimidate some with all your knowledge. If they are serious I suggest they jump in here and ask some silly questions so you can help them clear the air.

They have a chance to really step up their game if they will get involved.

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Catt!!  I'm on top of it, making a copy of everything you say, and as you know I will be trying it out this weekend.

Jack (fishfor dollars) I am in there all the way with Catt and with you for Raburn.      

  Dutch

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Just because I haven't posted doesn't mean that I'm not sucking up this information like a sponge.  Saturday night I down loaded the Hi-Res map from Navionics Hot Maps Explorer, and LO AND BEHOLD a new world has opened for me.  When I use the info from Catt and Fishfordollars and cross reference with the map, I am finding some really great places to fish.  I promise that I will never tell anyone else about these great potential spots.

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Just because I haven't posted doesn't mean that I'm not sucking up this information like a sponge. Saturday night I down loaded the Hi-Res map from Navionics Hot Maps Explorer, and LO AND BEHOLD a new world has opened for me. When I use the info from Catt and Fishfordollars and cross reference with the map, I am finding some really great places to fish. I promise that I will never tell anyone else about these great potential spots.

Did you see I gave you credit in the above post for taking part? I want to give you a chance when we fish the big pond together.

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Thanks Jack.  I'm really looking forward to being your co-angler.  I hope to learn a lot.  Speaking of learning, the posts on this thread have already taught me a whole new way of looking at structure.  In short, I have learned to get away from the banks in many situations.

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Thanks Jack. I'm really looking forward to being your co-angler. I hope to learn a lot. Speaking of learning, the posts on this thread have already taught me a whole new way of looking at structure. In short, I have learned to get away from the banks in many situations.

If I am fishing a bank I feel as though 90% of the fish are behind me.

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Structure 101

When looking at a one dimensional map or one dimensional depth finder screen it's hard for some people to convert that image into a 3 dimensional image in their brain. When I select a piece of structure I look at it from 3 directions form, fit, & function; let me explain a little farther.

Form: what is its overall shape; quite often it differs from the map since most maps do not have the details needed to form a proper image.

Fit: how does it fit into the surrounding area? Is it isolated? Relationship to deep water? Connected to other structure?

Function: is it a feeding area, the bass's home, or a stop over place from the spawn.

A structure fishing situation consists of a structure, breaks, break lines and deep water. "Breaks" are things on the structure's bottom like stumps, rocks, weeds, logs, and bushes. A "break line" is a line or lines along the structure's bottom where there is a defined increase or decrease in depth, either sudden or gradual like the edge of a channel, hole or gully. There are other break lines, too, like a weed line wall, a brush line, where two bodies of water meet which differ in temperature, color or water current.

The angler who learns to read structure and where/how to fish it on its breaks, break lines will consistently catch bass while other fishermen who do not understand such things will struggle. As Buck Perry says Anglers must recognize from the beginning that not all good-looking structures harbor bass. But, he explains, Never will bass be found that are not related to structure in some manner.

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Thanks Catt. I just printed this and have put it in my boat. I need to reread it about once a week. It reminded me to go out and research four areas that I have problems relocating the fish once the early bite is done.

Jack

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Jack, there are definitely people watching...

Catt, thanks for the info.  While I may never be on that lake, I appreciate the map reading tutorial very much.

Wayne

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