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Tore this baby open and am waiting for the bearing to finish their bathies. Just thought I would let you know this thing stock the gears and drag were pretty nasty new. Gave em a nice clean, will be great when I get em back in! Nice and polished. Also, debating whether to use the shimano oil, or Reel Butter, hmmm. I'll try shimano's oil. Also was a little disappointed with all the plastic on the inside. Price you pay for weight savings I guess. Alot of grease in standard oil places too. I'd highly reccommend a professional clean and lube, it a little sluggish out of box, but then got alot better after 20 or so crank and free spools. I'll give an update once it's back together to compare performance.

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I have no idea how mine performed out-of-the-box. It was cleaned by DVT before seeing any use. Reel is still noisy on the cast, but that seems to be normal from what I've read about this reel. Doesn't appear to hurt performance. Impressed me. :)

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Yeah, the 50's are really over lubed from the factory. I put Orange Seals in mine on day one, but we just cleaned the bearings in my buddies 50E. They were full of grease! Never seen that before. Usually they just oil them. Took a lot of cleaning, but we finally got them rolling good. Great little reels once they're all setup. Very little performance difference - if any - between it and my Core 50 (also has Orange Seals).

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Do you plan to take out the antireverse pawl?

Yeah, I took it out and just put it in the spare weights bag for later use if needed. So far, it feels noticeably smoother without it in there when free reeling, however it won't affect the casting distance.

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I was debating to take mine out but I consider myself one of the lucky guys that got a quiet 51

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Just got it back together. Here's some of the data I collected using a stop-watch, obviously not exact, but the results tell the tale.

All these tests were done with zero brakes and just enough spool tension to keep the spool from any horizontal movement.

Edit: Also the tests were done without line on the spool, thus less mass and it starts/stops faster. I put 6# flouro on it afterwards and that ish goes forever.

Free spool stock (In seconds):

7.4

7.3

7.8

7.4

~7.475

Free spool cleaned and lubed (In seconds):

10.3

10.5

10.0

11.1

~10.475

3 seconds gained in free spool, which it decent IMO.

Also, If you had the occasional Curado problem of turning the handle and feeling a little harder to turn, then fully engage the spool, I put just a bit of grease on the pinion gear, (Where it grabs the spool pin) and has solved the problem after 50 or so trys, didn't happen once.

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I was debating to take mine out but I consider myself one of the lucky guys that got a quiet 51

Yeah, I feel blessed my 50e is almost silent and smooth as grease on glass. Now it's even better with the anti-reverse pawl out.

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Try using TSi301 oil and you'll be amazed how the free spool duration would stay even after using the reel for more than six months. It would spin like you just had it flushed/cleaned and oiled the spool bearings.

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Do you plan to take out the antireverse pawl?

Why????????? :o

You do know it is the backup to the AR (Anti-Reverse) oneway bearing pack.

If the oneway bearing fails on the reel, that dog prevents free release of the crank in backward rotation.

Don't leave anything out of your reel, it is there for a reason..... :yes:

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Why????????? :o

You do know it is the backup to the AR (Anti-Reverse) oneway bearing pack.

If the oneway bearing fails on the reel, that dog prevents free release of the crank in backward rotation.

Don't leave anything out of your reel, it is there for a reason..... :yes:

I'm pretty slow when it comes to working on reels. :stupid: What is the benefit of removing this?

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Why????????? :o

You do know it is the backup to the AR (Anti-Reverse) oneway bearing pack.

If the oneway bearing fails on the reel, that dog prevents free release of the crank in backward rotation.

Don't leave anything out of your reel, it is there for a reason..... :yes:

It creates a bit of noise and makes it a little rougher.

Is it really needed ? I dont think so. Most modern reels (All my other reels) dont have them, and I dont think a bass will tax my gear enough that I will need it.

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It creates a bit of noise and makes it a little rougher.

Is it really needed ? I dont think so. Most modern reels (All my other reels) dont have them, and I dont think a bass will tax my gear enough that I will need it.

10-4, thanks.

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It creates a bit of noise and makes it a little rougher.

Is it really needed ? I dont think so. Most modern reels (All my other reels) dont have them, and I dont think a bass will tax my gear enough that I will need it.

Reason it is a little rougher with a clicking noise is because it is adjusted/lubricated WRONG when serviced.

Yes it is needed..

I have pictures I have posted here that show the AR innersleave cracked causing AR failure, just from over adjusting Drags, and hooksetting on hard structure.

I have pics of blown out AR bearing packs were the pins literally fall out of the bearing causing AR failures, from tight drags, super hooksets, etc..

So adjusted and lubricated the right way and you don't even know it is there.......

So yes Shimano wouldn't put one there if it wasn't needed... :Victory:

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Yeah, I took it out and just put it in the spare weights bag for later use if needed. So far, it feels noticeably smoother without it in there when free reeling, however it won't affect the casting distance.

Yep I went and took it out does make a difference. Ive read that part can cause issues too so like it helps and it can hurt so I went with the better feel.

Going to call the hobbyshop to check if they have bearings for the bushings in the handle knobs.

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I don't understand. :( A reel guru tells you what can happen if you leave out the antireverse pawl, yet some of you still insist on leaving it out. I don't have the money to throw away a perectly good reel in the search for a little quieter cast. To each his own. I don't know if removing it would improve performance, and I'm not going to find out. I am happy with the casting distance I am getting as it is. If I want more, I will invest in better bearings. Or a different reel. Never can have too many! :D

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I don't understand. :( A reel guru tells you what can happen if you leave out the antireverse pawl, yet some of you still insist on leaving it out. I don't have the money to throw away a perectly good reel in the search for a little quieter cast. To each his own. I don't know if removing it would improve performance, and I'm not going to find out. I am happy with the casting distance I am getting as it is. If I want more, I will invest in better bearings. Or a different reel. Never can have too many! :D

It is unnecessary to have it because that is what the AR bearing is for. If the AR bearing fails then the reel relies on the AR pawl. If the AR fails then you need to get a new one since you don't want to rely on the pawl. You can always put the pawl back in if you want but most companies don't even put one in. Does removing it make it noticably smoother? I can't tell but smoother is smoother.

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It is unnecessary to have it because that is what the AR bearing is for. If the AR bearing fails then the reel relies on the AR pawl. If the AR fails then you need to get a new one since you don't want to rely on the pawl. You can always put the pawl back in if you want but most companies don't even put one in. Does removing it make it noticably smoother? I can't tell but smoother is smoother.

Packard,

That is such a foolish statement.....

The AR Pawl is very important as a back up to the OneWay (AR) bearing pack. If the OneWay fails the Pawl is to keep the crank assembly from rotating backwards (on hookset, hard fighting, etc.) and possibly damageing the unternal parts of the reel or anglers cranking hand. The two parts when serviced correctly actually work in conjunction with each other (smoothly), making an AR system that is actually eons better than the other mfgs that you all keep measuring the need for on their reels.

Shimano created the redundant backup for AR' that other mfgs wish they had come up with.

Tight Lines! :Victory:

The AR Pawl has nothing to do with a reels ability to cast better, it is the industry standard assist to the oneway bearing.

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Geez, a little grease on part #3483 Anti Reverse Ratchet will eliminate any "not smooth" feelings.

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Packard,

That is such a foolish statement.....

The AR Pawl is very important as a back up to the OneWay (AR) bearing pack. If the OneWay fails the Pawl is to keep the crank assembly from rotating backwards (on hookset, hard fighting, etc.) and possibly damageing the unternal parts of the reel or anglers cranking hand. The two parts when serviced correctly actually work in conjunction with each other (smoothly), making an AR system that is actually eons better than the other mfgs that you all keep measuring the need for on their reels.

Shimano created the redundant backup for AR' that other mfgs wish they had come up with.

Tight Lines! :Victory:

The AR Pawl has nothing to do with a reels ability to cast better, it is the industry standard assist to the oneway bearing.

I have an honest question so please don't take it the wrong way. If the AR Pawl is such an important part of the reel operation, then why do the JDM variety of many USDM reel not come with the part installed?

Why do most of the major Mfg's of reels not choose to use this or a version of this component in their reels?

I remove this part from my reels, and have not experienced any ill effects, as a bonus my reel is a little quieter and has less friction on the retrieve.

I do respect your opinon but I say to each his own.

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I do respect your opinon but I say to each his own.

You'd have to had seen the devastation an AR bearing failure causes a reel. I had a Zillion that failed on a frog hook set. $90 worth of parts. Zillions don't have that pawl, but to each his own.

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You'd have to had seen the devastation an AR bearing failure causes a reel. I had a Zillion that failed on a frog hook set. $90 worth of parts. Zillions don't have that pawl, but to each his own.

Noob question: Why do the Zillions not have that pawl to begin with? I thought Daiwa reels were the real deal, and Shimanos are for beginners? :P :P :P

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Only the Cruados have that pawl, the same question could be, "Why do Shimanos need a redundant AR mechanism?"

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