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Can I get any experienced opinions on Quantum Hot Sauce, use it or don't use it. What other product do you recommend? I have had some guys tell me Hot Sauce gums up the works.

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Hootie

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Hot Sauce is good, but you have to remove all old hrease and oils for it to not cause that reaction due to different chemical bases. The best thing for you as to not have to worry would be the Ardent cleaning kit. No matter what you use, make sure that all bearings get soaked and cleaned out with acetone or non chlorinated brake cleaner(good for the spool bearings that are trapped on by the pin) before adding oil of your own.

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Be carefull with the brake cleaner, it eats and melts plastic takes paint off, etc....nasty stuff. I have had good results with the Ardent cleaning solvent, for end of the year deep cleaning of the reel. During the season if something gets gunked up on me, a light spray off with Quick Dissolve Electronic parts cleaner, and a few drops of oil after it's evaporated works great.

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Sorry, forgot the caution of the brake cleaner. Spray away from the rest of the reel. I only use it for the bearing trapped on the spool shaft because of the pin.

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What reels?

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I use carburetor cleaner instead of brake cleaner. So far, no nasty results on plastic parts. I sprayed out my clutch bearings with it and they have plastic parts in them. No problems.

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Personally I don't like the red dye all over everything. The Hot Sauce oil works well for bearings, but I don't like the grease at all. The is no secret, magic lube same as there is no magic lure. Keep stuff clean and lubed with something appropriate for the application and you'll be fine.

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???

Hard to make any recommendation since you haven't even said whether they are spinning or casting. Knowing the model and application goes a long way toward helping you.

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Both spinning and casting, although I can't see what difference it would make, gears are gears, and moving parts are moving parts.

Nevertheless here is a list.

Abu Garcia STX 2

Revo S 1

Lews Speed Spool 2

Assorted BPS reels

Also, I was told not to use this stuff on anything other Quantum reels.

And do you actually use different lubes on spinning gear than on casting gear??

And to further clarify, I was only going to use the oil, not the grease.

Hope this is enough info.

Thanks, Hootie

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I clean with mineral spirits and a toothbrush or hot soapy water and toothbrush. So far I have had no issues with plastics. They are milder than carb & brake cleaner and seem to get the job done just fine.

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The teeth on the drive gears of a spinning reel are much more course. I use a heavier grease and more liberal application there. I use a heavier oil or grease on spinning reel bearings since they don't spin fast. As far as only using certain brand lubes on certain reels, I'd pay no attention to that. Car manufacturers tried that in the 80's to dodge warranty issues and it didn't work out too well. Now if you put oil where a grease is called for etc that's another story.

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To directly answer your question, the Hot sauce oil is very good stuff. I've used it for 3 years and it works great, zero complaints.

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Both spinning and casting, although I can't see what difference it would make, gears are gears, and moving parts are moving parts.

Then why ask for the advice at all? We're just trying to help.

Abu Garcia STX 2

Revo S 1

Lews Speed Spool 2

Assorted BPS reels

I'd use Cal's Light Grease and Bantam Oil in these reels. For moving bait reels, I'd pack any knob bearings in grease, otherwise oil the bearings. If you are going to subject them saltwater or other abuse, then ReelX is a better option for bearings, though you'll sacrifice speed. Toss your hot sauce in the trash, I wouldn't even use it to fix a squeaky door hinge.

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The teeth on the drive gears of a spinning reel are much more course. I use a heavier grease and more liberal application there. I use a heavier oil or grease on spinning reel bearings since they don't spin fast. As far as only using certain brand lubes on certain reels, I'd pay no attention to that. Car manufacturers tried that in the 80's to dodge warranty issues and it didn't work out too well. Now if you put oil where a grease is called for etc that's another story.

Thank for your direct, straightforward, and educated answer. I respect your advice because of everyone's opinion of your service. I think it is totally unnecessary for things to have get all complicated and in my opinion, just plain GOOFY.

Thanks much DVT.

Hootie

I know my written thoughts will probably get me banned from the site. So, if it does guys, I'll miss ya. This has been a bad day!

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If doing things right is goofy, then that's me. :eyebrows:

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In response to your original question. Yes I have used it. I did it on a friends recommendation though at the time I was wondering if Quantum was Spanish for Zebco. I had it on ABEC bearings and bocas. It was great for a few weeks then the reels got harder and harder to throw. I got rid of it and went back to the oil that came with the reels.

For clarification my reels were super tuned Shimano Curados with ABEC 3 and 5 bearings and Boca lightining ceramic bearings. I have since sold all the reels and bought new ones that will never have the red stuff put in the.

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If you look at a test chart listing viscosity, shear coefficient, and temperature stability, Hot Sauce oil stacks up pretty darned good against many of the alternatives. That said, I hate the stuff because the red dye they douse it with migrates all over the inside the reel. Maybe it's throwing out the baby with the bath water but when I crack open a reel for service, I don't want it to look like a mouse was crushed to death in there. If they did away with the dye, I'd use it since it is available at local stores at a competitive price. The dye is just a marketing ploy that I don't appreciate.

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Most of the HS reels I open up are a brown, sticky, seized up mess. I don't need a chart to tell me it's durability is crap. It simply doesn's hold up to what we put our gear through. I've said it before: HS is for trailer queens, and mostly for looks.

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Most of the HS reels I open up are a brown, sticky, seized up mess. I don't need a chart to tell me it's durability is crap. It simply doesn's hold up to what we put our gear through. I've said it before: HS is for trailer queens, and mostly for looks.

Are these reels using the HS grease also? I believe you 100%, but it seems like if you lube properly there should be very very little oil actually inside the body of a reel at a time. Seems like it could be user error somewhere along the line, maybe overlubing? I use the HS oil and reel butter oil/grease along with the abu silocote stuff without any issues. Ive never tried the HS grease for what its worth. According to the chart Ive seen HS oil is a pretty low viscosity, perhaps thats how it works itself out in some reels. Out of curiousity were any of the reels equiped with open shielded bearings?

If you think the HS grease is the issue then disregard all that lol

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Grease and oil.

I use the HS oil and reel butter oil/grease along with the abu silocote stuff without any issues.

Three of the easiest to find, and yet least durable options out there. If you are cleaning your reels every 20 hours of use, then you won't see an issue. There are faster, more durable and hassle free lubricants out there.

My own reels are a great test bed for different formulations, and combinations of oils and greases because with all the customer business I get, my own gear may go 18 months or more without a drop of oil. Over the past six years, I've built up a few "programs" for different levels of tune and duties. If you tell me you are only interested in max distance, I'll use something special for the bearings, and include a oiler with it, along with instructions for daily maintenance. If want to fish it for a year trouble free, then I'll use something radically different. It's all about application. There is no one magic oil or grease, and any setup comes with some compromise.

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Grease and oil.

Three of the easiest to find, and yet least durable options out there. If you are cleaning your reels every 20 hours of use, then you won't see an issue. There are faster, more durable and hassle free lubricants out there.

My own reels are a great test bed for different formulations, and combinations of oils and greases because with all the customer business I get, my own gear may go 18 months or more without a drop of oil. Over the past six years, I've built up a few "programs" for different levels of tune and duties. If you tell me you are only interested in max distance, I'll use something special for the bearings, and include a oiler with it, along with instructions for daily maintenance. If want to fish it for a year trouble free, then I'll use something radically different. It's all about application. There is no one magic oil or grease, and any setup comes with some compromise.

The 20 hour thing is actually pretty accurate. And then I just do the spool bearings, everything else is probably once a season. Dont get out as much as I used to, mainly shorter trips. For as little as I use my gear I've thought about trying one of the versions of rocket fuel, but I get all the distance I need for where I fish. Do you think there would be that much of a preformance increase over what I do now? Keeping in mind I dont mind changing it often.

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Cal's Light (purple) grease is great for light grease applications, especially if you are used to HS and RB grease. For better durability, you can use Either Shimano Star Drag Grease or Cal's Drag Grease (brown) for heavy apps, like main/pinion gear and worm drive idler gears. I think you'd do equally as well with Yellow Rocket Fuel, Shimano Bantam Oil, TD-Z oil, or Oust Metol. I've taken a liking to Oust lately. You can find most of those from OEM or http://www.smoothdrag.com/. Get the proper Carbontex drag washers while you're at it. best upgrade for your reels - better then high spec bearings. One I've been using in some particularly tough applications is http://www.tsi301.com/main.htm. Expensive, but really good.

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I here ya about your own stuff taking a back seat. At least I'm not alone there. It's like the old analogy of the shoe cobbler who's kids were barefoot.lol I agree too, that lubes can be used to really fine tune for conditions.

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Ever hock a loogie on your spool bearings just to get rid of the squeal? :eyebrows:

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