J Franco you are a man of courage and conviction. I salute you my friend. 

 

As for characterizing poor folks taking advantage of a broken system as animals I completely agree with John. It is way over the top. Yes they were stealing. Yes there should be consequences. And yes it is very easy to get all self-righteous over something like this and completely ignore the corruption all around us. 

 

about as over the top as you calling people "self-righteous"

 

spades are always spades with me, no matter, who, where, how, or issue...... and that my friend, is not being self righteous, it called doing the right thing.

I am not one to sugar coat the truth either. I respect that Brian. Spirited discussion is one of the things that make life interesting. Peace.

I am not one to sugar coat the truth either. I respect that Brian. Spirited discussion is one of the things that make life interesting. Peace.

fair enough my man!

no- that would not be common sense.  That would be taking away assistance to those who may need it- dependents. 

They will recoup through future state income tax returns not by taking food off the table.

 

Your post highlights the root of this problem: No personal responsibility.  Somebody else (that actually pays taxes) will pick up the bill....

Your post highlights the root of this problem: No personal responsibility. Somebody else (that actually pays taxes) will pick up the bill....

I really do not think you guys are getting it at all. You do understand what state income taxes are correct? Like, personal income taxes get deducted. They will have to pay it back to them selves no need to get yourself all worked up

I really do not think you guys are getting it at all. You do understand what state income taxes are correct? Like, personal income taxes get deducted. They will have to pay it back to them selves no need to get yourself all worked up

 

Are you saying that the individuals who stole the stuff will be responsible for repaying the money out of THEIR income taxes, or that the taxpayers in general will be responsible?

Their own personal state tax returns...

Their own personal state tax returns...

I'm sorry, that's not how I interpreted your original post.  That is personal responsibility.  Sounds like a good way to pay for it to me.

Their own personal state tax returns...

when you dont work and live off the dole, there arent much taxes being paid.

this issue with that plan is ...........many of those people get more in tax returns than they paid in.......so who's money is REALLY paying it back?

 

I wont really speculate how/who will be paying it back, as I am sure more news will be coming out on it.

You mean to tell me that other walmarts actually stock their shelves??

this issue with that plan is ...........many of those people get more in tax returns than they paid in.......so who's money is REALLY paying it back?

 

I wont really speculate how/who will be paying it back, as I am sure more news will be coming out on it.

 

Normal people sometimes get refund that exceeds their tax withholding. It's called tax credit. You might even qualify for one or two yourself, maybe. 

 

I find myself happier with life when I don't worry about this stuff nor listening to extremist propaganda says. Since you get work up over this stuff, you should watch Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia. (it's on Netflix.)

 

 

 

Normal people sometimes get refund that exceeds their tax withholding. It's called tax credit. You might even qualify for one or two yourself, maybe. 

 

I find myself happier with life when I don't worry about this stuff nor listening to extremist propaganda says. Since you get work up over this stuff, you should watch Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia. (it's on Netflix.)

Good flick

Normal people sometimes get refund that exceeds their tax withholding. It's called tax credit. You might even qualify for one or two yourself, maybe. 

 

I find myself happier with life when I don't worry about this stuff nor listening to extremist propaganda says. Since you get work up over this stuff, you should watch Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia. (it's on Netflix.)

 

I don't qualify for one.

I am not worked up, just calling it what it is, as it is.

If our founders hadn't done the same, we'd still be kneeling to a king.

 

and I don't have Netflix, as I don't have a need for it, and I like fishing tackle too much, LOL.

I heard something today that really goes well with this thread. I walked up to get in line at the grocery store today and I heard a man talking to the cashier. The only thing I actually heard him say was "Yea, I love this country, but I can't stand our Government" then he hands her is Food Stamp card and pays for his groceries.

 

I wanted to say, if you can't stand this government, why in the heck are you taking handouts from them?

 

It's people like him who more than likely think that since the government is "evil" then they owe him something.

I heard something today that really goes well with this thread. I walked up to get in line at the grocery store today and I heard a man talking to the cashier. The only thing I actually heard him say was "Yea, I love this country, but I can't stand our Government" then he hands her is Food Stamp card and pays for his groceries.

 

I wanted to say, if you can't stand this government, why in the heck are you taking handouts from them?

 

It's people like him who more than likely think that since the government is "evil" then they owe him something.

Perfect example of  SMH

Life isn't fair. It was never meant to be fair. Somewhere along the line, the winners lost and the losers won.

What sickens me is most of the dummies bought a bunch of meat and frozen goods and don't have the equipment at home to store it in. I can almost guarantee that most of the stuff they got will go in the trash

Their own personal state tax returns...

 

What happens in the case of those who do not pay any taxes?

I agree with this being a deplorable situation. What I don't really like is all the misconceptions being tossed around about people receiving food stamp benefits.

 

In keeping with "calling a spade a spade," many of you dont know a thing about people receiving assistance. The "welfare stereotype" is a thing of the past, TRUST ME. You will always have the women with multiple fatherless children who can't seem to stay vertical long enough to get a job. But what you dont see is the MAJORITY of the people receiving the assistance HAVE JOBS. They pay taxes. They just simply don't make enough to completely feed their families or themselves. Sure, some of the folks would probably benefit from a money management class or ten but I dont know that it warrants dusting off the pillory.

 

Should the people who offended and stole this food be punished? Absolutely.

 

Should this be a reflection of the folks legitimately using the benefits they are eligible for? Absolutely not.

 

I've talked about this very topic with quite a few people on this forum. I believe I have the personal experience to discuss this topic.

I am hip to that Speedbead........I would venture to say, even wager to say not one person that was cleaning out that wal mart was " legitimate".

 

i say that because people that NEED it, tend to have more pride than people who make a run on store because they think they can get away with it. IMO, and others opinions may vary.

 

My issue is always the 2nd , 3rd, 4th, 5th generation welfare queens that never had a job and cheat the system.

 

I tend to have a bit of experience myself due to location, and seeing it every trip to a store in general.

I totally want the people that truly need help to get it. I want them to get it so they can go out, pull themselves up and move on in life. NOT to be mired down in a system that is rigged to keep you hooked.

No offense, but I put a bit more time into this topic than just my trips to a store. Don't let the beard fool you.

 

I agree that there are improvements that can be made to any system, assistance programs especially. All we can constructively do is continue to address the problems and unfortunately, HOPE, that someone at a higher pay grade makes the changes. While BR has a ton of members, anyone who has the ability is not coming on here to seek out ideas for welfare reform.

 

Blowing off steam about an upsetting situation is understandable. I get hot under the collar. I want my complaints to be heard. Complaining to the people on a bass forum merely amounts to "biching" (yes, I know it's not spelled correctly LOL) and while it may feel good to get it off your chest, does nothing really for furthering any real change.

It's taking advantage of the system, for sure, but to call them "animals," is a little over the top, and frankly a little offensive.  I've been on public assistance, for a short time, and store employees are often degrading and disrespectful - right up to management.  I'm not justifying the behavior in the article, just making a point to be careful who your audience is when you use hyperbole.

 

If you actually took the time to read the article, you'd see a quote from Springhill Police Chief, Will Lynd:

 

 

Animals indeed.

 

From what I can tell, this is a Walmart issue. The enacted a policy that pretty much told their EBT carrying customers they could take what they wanted.... Put yourself in their shoes.  You telling me at least someone (not necessarily you yourself) wouldn't take advantage of the situation?

I totally agree with Francho.  I pondered this topic yesterday and thought better of posting my opinion because I could have easily violated BR forum rules.  I'm going to approach this topic from a different angle.  The situation stems from a social problem mainly the family structure, many of the people in question have for generations been raised to live this way.  Poor family life, maybe only one parent in the household barely making enough money to even pay rent.  These people not only were raised to use the system, they were raised to fail in life. The second many of them were born they had 2 strikes against them. 

On the other hand, I'm sure many of the posters in this thread were raised with 2 parents, lived lives where there was always food to eat, warm clothes in the winter, parents stressed education and taught wholesome values, in other words raised to succeed in life, with little or no excuse for failure.  Needless to say there are exceptions on both sides of the equation.  People from all demographics fall into both of these groups, it isn't isolated to just one.

Most of the forums I frequent with out any doubt in my mind would favor my position.  I do realize that my view this subject on this forum will yield a high degree of scrutiny and disagreement.

All that being said I don't condone the bilking any system. 

And Brian, I agree with your first statement. I don't imagine that the legitimate people were the ones participating with this.

I hear ya speed...... I can call what I see, and yeah I see it all the time in the store.... but thats not my only opinion forming factor.

 

and I agree with the "biching" part of it too, but we are in "everything else" and its good healthy conversation......does noone talk about the "world" while fishing?

You and I agree on more than we disagree on, I would lay money on it.

 

Opinions will always vary and I get that....... what yall see up north is totally different than what we see down south, and vice versa.

 

PM me, I want to hear more from your experience, I might learn something along the way, and I am always up for that.