Ray Rice hit her hard enough that he could have killed her. Not to mention her head hitting the railing in the elevator as she was falling. That could have been a manslaugther charge. A highly conditioned athlete of his size hitting a woman with a closed fist. Ray is 5' 8" tall and weighs 212lbs. I understand your contention that there are different level of abuse. But because of Rays size & conditioning his abuse is deadly force. Not good.

and then dragged and kicked her out of the elevator..

I'm sure Goodell and Rice are happy that AP is takingbsome media attention away.

Ray Rice hit her hard enough that he could have killed her. Not to mention her head hitting the railing in the elevator as she was falling. That could have been a manslaugther charge.  A highly conditioned athlete of his size hitting a woman with a closed fist.  Ray is 5' 8" tall and weighs 212lbs. I understand your contention that there are different level of abuse. But because of Rays size & conditioning his abuse is deadly force. Not good.

You are absolutely correct, however the different levels I was referencing did not have to do with it being deadly force or not. I was disagreeing with your statement that Rice beat his wife because he did not do that. He hit her, in a manner that could have killed her & then callously dragged her out of the elevator. That is different than continually hitting a person over & over.

I find the difference between the two to be in ones mind. There are severe mental issues at play when one chooses to beat another over and over. That is not always the case in situations like Rices, which does not excuse his actions nor should it mitigate his punishment. In deciding punishment, the facts you state about the potential of it being deadly based on the physical stature of Rice should be considered. In the same manner, it should be also be considered that it was a punch not a beating.

I totally understand what you are saying. But Ray had no reason to hit her again because she was unconscious. His dragging her out of the elevator showed he had no remorse. If she had managed to continue to fight back would Ray have hit her again? I don't see the difference between what he did versus someone else besting a woman black & blue.

You are absolutely correct, however the different levels I was referencing did not have to do with it being deadly force or not. I was disagreeing with your statement that Rice beat his wife because he did not do that. He hit her, in a manner that could have killed her & then callously dragged her out of the elevator. That is different than continually hitting a person over & over.

I find the difference between the two to be in ones mind. There are severe mental issues at play when one chooses to beat another over and over. That is not always the case in situations like Rices, which does not excuse his actions nor should it mitigate his punishment. In deciding punishment, the facts you state about the potential of it being deadly based on the physical stature of Rice should be considered. In the same manner, it should be also be considered that it was a punch not a beating.

and if his one uppercut didnt knock her out do you think he would have stopped? Im thinking not because his actions when she was UNCONSCIOUS didnt show ANY remorse..

I have no idea what Rice would have done if she hadn't been knocked out.  It appears he made no additional moves towards her after that punch, but what he would or wouldn't have done IF she had still be conscious is just speculation.  I do agree that he didn't show any remorse based on his actions & the way he dragged her out of the elevator, but showing no remorse does not necessarily translate into the will to make this single punch a beating.

 

It is not unusual for wife beaters to continually hit & kick their spouse even after they are unconscious.  As I wrote before, those who do that have severe mental issues and should never be any part of our society.  Until a person crosses that line, I would say it is incorrect to put them in the same classification based on one punch.  Punish them severely for their action, yes, but don't throw them in with the garbage that preys upon other people.

I have no idea what Rice would have done if she hadn't been knocked out. It appears he made no additional moves towards her after that punch, but what he would or wouldn't have done IF she had still be conscious is just speculation. I do agree that he didn't show any remorse based on his actions & the way he dragged her out of the elevator, but showing no remorse does not necessarily translate into the will to make this single punch a beating.

It is not unusual for wife beaters to continually hit & kick their spouse even after they are unconscious. As I wrote before, those who do that have severe mental issues and should never be any part of our society. Until a person crosses that line, I would say it is incorrect to put them in the same classification based on one punch. Punish them severely for their action, yes, but don't throw them in with the garbage that preys upon other people.

Whats the cutoff? 2 punches? a punch,3 kicks and a headbutt?

Cutoff to what? 

 

I am going purely by definition.  1 punch, no mater how well delivered or brutal, is not a beating.  Not in spousal abuse, not in a boxing match.  I understand not wanting to give any leniency to Rice, I am in no way an advocate for what he did.   That does not mean we should misclassify what he did.  He did not beat his wife, he hit her.  Still despicable, still warranting of a serious punishment, but not the same as the sick individual who beats & beats on his or her spouse.  1 punch can be a mistake, a bad decision and not true to the makeup of a person.  A beating is evidence of who one really is.

 

Let me go at it from a different way.  I am not liberal on this, I believe those men who beat their spouses should be put to death, for they can not function in our society.  There isn't evidence that Rice falls into this classification, so I would withhold this ultimate punishment from him for his actions.  Not withhold punishment, but withhold the death penalty.

My only hope is that the media will get Charles Barkley to weigh in on this matter and make sense of it all.  See his short interview about the situation with Rice, what the media does to drum up ratings should be illegal.

Cutoff to what?

I am going purely by definition. 1 punch, no mater how well delivered or brutal, is not a beating. Not in spousal abuse, not in a boxing match. I understand not wanting to give any leniency to Rice, I am in no way an advocate for what he did. That does not mean we should misclassify what he did. He did not beat his wife, he hit her. Still despicable, still warranting of a serious punishment, but not the same as the sick individual who beats & beats on his or her spouse. 1 punch can be a mistake, a bad decision and not true to the makeup of a person. A beating is evidence of who one really is.

Let me go at it from a different way. I am not liberal on this, I believe those men who beat their spouses should be put to death, for they can not function in our society. There isn't evidence that Rice falls into this classification, so I would withhold this ultimate punishment from him for his actions. Not withhold punishment, but withhold the death penalty.

What you are not addressing is one punch and she is out. He might have hit her continuously had she not fallen unconsious. You do not not know what his behavior was are might have been. I don't disrespect your premise just think you are wrong about what he might have done if he had not knocked her unconscious.

Just heard that Rice is going to appeal his suspension, and possibly file a grievance against the Ravens for his termination.  They went on to say that the appeal would open the door for the NFL to conduct it's own investigation into when and who actually seen the video. 

 

Should be interesting.

What you are not addressing is one punch and she is out. He might have hit her continuously had she not fallen unconsious. You do not not know what his behavior was are might have been. I don't disrespect your premise just think you are wrong about what he might have done if he had not knocked her unconscious.

You are misrepresenting what I said when you say I am wrong about he might have done.  I wrote that I have no idea, I am not wrong about that.  I don't know & neither does anyone else because it never happened.

 

You are welcome to believe that he would have continued, but that is just speculation.  The fact is he hit her once.  Yes, he had the potential to hit her again, but he didn't.  There are numerous examples of mentally defective guys who continue to hammer on their victims who are unconscious.  Rice didn't do that & therefore, should not be lumped into their category.  That doesn't earn him any husband of the year awards, it is just the reality of the incident.

 

Think it through.  Why would someone stop hitting their victim just because they knocked the victim unconscious?

Just heard that Rice is going to appeal his suspension, and possibly file a grievance against the Ravens for his termination.  They went on to say that the appeal would open the door for the NFL to conduct it's own investigation into when and who actually seen the video. 

 

Should be interesting.

For the record & so that I am not classified as "the guy defending the wife beater", I disagree with those actions by Rice.  He screwed up, he should plead Mea Culpa and accept what comes his way from the Ravens & NFL.  I understand putting up a defense against legal action against him, but to fight the punishment given him by his previous employers shows a lack of remorse.

 

He is financially set for the rest of his life.  Accept the fact that a horrible decision lead to him doing an unforgivable act and move on.  His life is changed forever & there is no one to blame but himself.

 but to fight the punishment given him by his previous employers shows a lack of remorse.

 

How so?

His employers fired/suspended him for violating the morals clause in his contract.  To contest that, he is in essence saying that hitting his fiancé was not an immoral act, which goes against the apologies he has given publicly.

 

It is like that old saying - "If you find yourself in a hole, the first thing you should do is stop digging".

Or, it could have nothing to do with that at all and could be based upon the fact that the NFL has already set a precedence for how it handles domestic violence issues.   The reality is that the players union is more than likely behind this action.

My only hope is that the media will get Charles Barkley to weigh in on this matter and make sense of it all.  See his short interview about the situation with Rice, what the media does to drum up ratings should be illegal.

Barkley on child whipping

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/charles-barkley-on-adrian-peterson---every-black-parent-in-the-south--whips-their-children-202259157.html

I have seen pictures of the whipping marks, IMO quite excessive and I'm not going to post them.

 

One punch or 20, I see no difference and don't care how Webster defines it.  How significant is your "significant other" if one chooses to hit them? 

AP was placed on the exemption/commissioner's permission list by the team barring him from all team activities until all legal proceedings have takened place. I think the Vikes made a good decision with respect to that.