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5 minutes ago, Big Bait Fishing said:

pretty acurate review in my opinion

 

I would have called it a "good" line,
though, at least in my experience.

It is what it is, LOL...I also like P-Line
Floroclear, which many here hate.

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2 minutes ago, Big Bait Fishing said:

pretty acurate review in my opinion

pretty acurate review in my opinion

I concur. I think the reason it gets the hype it does is because it's sort of a middle ground between fluorocarbon and monofilament. It doesn't handle as well as a nice mono, not quite as sensitive as a quality fluoro. The lower pound tests are fair as the review suggests, and us a nice compromise for slack line finesse presentations. The heavier tests I never cared for. Not being precision wound onto the spool and having below average abrasion resistance are the main reasons for the fair rating according to the review. All I know is once you use Tatsu you will never look back! 

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Disclaimer, I'm a YZ fan, so I risk sounding apologetic....but I've mitigated two of the bigger TT knocks; price and manageability.

Buying 600yd spools takes it down from .04/yd to .02/yd.  That would bring that price rating up....a lot.  And I use KVD L&L fairly religiously.  Sometimes I think KVD L&L was made especially for YZ hybrid....it is a match made in heaven

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way to many options for line out there then to try to settle for a mediocre hybrid line when you can either buy a good flouro or buy a good copoly  ...

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I like YZ Hybrid. I switched majority of my gear over both spinning and casting. With KVD L&L conditioner its ever better in my book

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Well, to start with the pricing in this review is bogus. TW has 275 yards for $10.99 and more importantly, 600 yards for $14.99. It's often on sale and will be 15%  cheaper this weekend! I consider the line "very affordable".  

Manageability is an issue with 15 lb test and up. I use KVD Line & Lure Conditioner and find the #6 quite manageable on spinning tackle as is the #12 on baitcasting equipment. After a few casts the line lays down nicely even if it has been spooled for some time. 

I have never had an issue with knot strength or line strength and find it to be very abrasion resistant. So, it REALLY comes as a surprise to me that TT measured results would vary so greatly with my on the water experience. I have been fishing the line for more than a decade and coincidentally I just spooled a reel this morning.

With that said, over the past few years I have moved on to some other brands for specific techniques. For anything fluorocarbon Tatsu is the bomb!  For treble hooks I like monofilament, specifically Sunline Defier Armilo. And finally, following some great advice from several members, two of my three spinning reels are spooled with Smackdown and a Tatsu leader. 

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I agree with all the above. Given the significantly improved fishing lines today, especially fluorocarbon, it is a spot on rating. Even with the adjustment for cost as RW mentions. Back when YZH was originally released, I think the only fluorocarbon available in the US was Berkley or Stren '100%', both of which no one uses any more (or should). I believe that soon everyone will see that braid plus a fluorcarbon leader is the way to go for almost all applications. I see no advantage to using straight fluorcarbon ($$$) any more unless one does not tie a good main line to leader knot and doesn't routinely re-tie (I do after each outing).  Though I still am testing that theory out for slack line fishing and am not yet convinced. Also agree with RW that Tatsu is the gold standard for FC, just happens to be about the most expensive FC also.

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I've only used 10lb and less but it wasn't bad. I'm a Izorline XXX guy myself. Similar properties and you get more line for the money. 

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3 hours ago, fishindad said:

I agree with all the above. Given the significantly improved fishing lines today, especially fluorocarbon, it is a spot on rating. Even with the adjustment for cost as RW mentions. Back when YZH was originally released, I think the only fluorocarbon available in the US was Berkley or Stren '100%', both of which no one uses any more (or should). I believe that soon everyone will see that braid plus a fluorcarbon leader is the way to go for almost all applications. I see no advantage to using straight fluorcarbon ($$$) any more unless one does not tie a good main line to leader knot and doesn't routinely re-tie (I do after each outing).  Though I still am testing that theory out for slack line fishing and am not yet convinced. Also agree with RW that Tatsu is the gold standard for FC, just happens to be about the most expensive FC also.

Tatsu might be your gold standard if you don't mind a stretchy line , to me the gold standard is a tie between Sunline Shooter and Toray SHU , both these lines don't stretch near as much as Tatsu , and they are both a little more sensitive as to both being stiffer , more dense lines .

I just got a spool of Sunline Structure in 14 lb , gonna spool it on tomorrow, will write a mini review when I get it in the water. 

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37 minutes ago, Big Bait Fishing said:

Tatsu might be your gold standard if you don't mind a stretchy line , to me the gold standard is a tie between Sunline Shooter and Toray SHU , both these lines don't stretch near as much as Tatsu , and they are both a little more sensitive as to both being stiffer , more dense lines .

I just got a spool of Sunline Structure in 14 lb , gonna spool it on tomorrow, will write a mini review when I get it in the water. 

Huge fan of Toray lines, especially SHU, but sadly it has become almost impossible to find it here in the U.S. Will be curious to hear your thoughts on Structure. Have been avoiding Sunline because of access to Toray, using Seaguar as my backup fluoro line, but that might have to change before long.

-T9

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4 hours ago, Team9nine said:

Huge fan of Toray lines, especially SHU, but sadly it has become almost impossible to find it here in the U.S. Will be curious to hear your thoughts on Structure. Have been avoiding Sunline because of access to Toray, using Seaguar as my backup fluoro line, but that might have to change before long.

-T9

my favorite flourocarbon line is Toray Super Hard Strong , just can't get it anymore . that line is very strong and as much stretch as braid .....

best flouro i've ever used !

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How it's getting "average" or "below average" ratings for anything strength or durability related is beyond me.   The report that it performed under rated strength and well below tensile strength makes me question whoever is doing this review.  To me, that's strange not only because it's in very strong conflict with my experience, but also in conflict with every other line comparison I've seen that's tested line and knot strength between brands.  Now, rating it poorly for manageability would be a negative rating I could understand.  It's definitely a bit wirey and, untreated, it has memory for days.   It's certainly not the most user friendly main line, but those strength and abrasion resistance ratings are pretty suspect at best.  

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I don't tend to go off of reviews.  I test it myself.  I've been using the 10# Yo-Zuri for senkos, light t-rigs, spinnerbaits, etc.  Its strong as can be and handles well for me.  I do everything with 10# that I did before on 12#.  

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17 hours ago, fishindad said:

I believe that soon everyone will see that braid plus a fluorcarbon leader is the way to go for almost all applications. I see no advantage to using straight fluorcarbon ($$$) any more unless one does not tie a good main line to leader knot and doesn't routinely re-tie (I do after each outing).  Though I still am testing that theory out for slack line fishing and am not yet convinced. Also agree with RW that Tatsu is the gold standard for FC, just happens to be about the most expensive FC also.

Don't want to take this thread far from it's intended purpose, But..Tho there are some applications that tieing a leader is advisable, it is by NO means the be all, end all, of the way anyone should fish as I assume you are implying. There are advantages to useing straight flouro, as there are to tying a leader, but those advantages are subjective to the one holding the rod. 

And yes, to apparently the few and far between of us who never use a leader we do know how to tie a main line on a hook, a leader knot if desired, and even how often any knot should be tied and retied..

If I read this part of your post wrong and missed your meaning then I will stand corrected.

 

Mike 

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Yeeah. Braid with leader has its place but it's still just a tool in the box.

Tatsu is good but stretchy stretch stretch.

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I use 12lb Yo-Zuri for just about everything.

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1 hour ago, Mike L said:

Don't want to take this thread far from it's intended purpose, But..Tho there are some applications that tieing a leader is advisable, it is by NO means the be all, end all, of the way anyone should fish as I assume you are implying. There are advantages to useing straight flouro, as there are to tying a leader, but those advantages are subjective to the one holding the rod. 

And yes, to apparently the few and far between of us who never use a leader we do know how to tie a main line on a hook, a leader knot if desired, and even how often any knot should be tied and retied..

If I read this part of your post wrong and missed your meaning then I will stand corrected.

 

Mike 

Hey Mike,

Thanks, and I never would take what you or anyone writes as misunderstanding. I also use straight fluoro and have myself been very slow to adapt to using braid with a leader. Mostly because my eyes are 58 years old and I hadn't found a good reliable knot. I will speak for the majority of fishermen and women and say that we are on a limited budget, no? We all know the virtues of braid; lasts forever (relative to nylon), little to no stretch, etc, etc. And most importantly (for me) it isn't ruined by a backlash like FC. I fish in windy conditions most of the time and I admit my thumb is not at the level of KVD so I have lost my share of lures and fish due to FC breaking at a pinch point due to a backlash. 

I feel that once the commitment is made to use all braid, with and without a leader, anglers will more easily adjust their equipment (i.e. rods) and hooksets as needed so the landing rate is equal to or higher than with mono or FC. I fish very clear water of the Great Lakes/MI. I almost never see stained water like many folks do in other parts of the country. Yet I really believe we give fish too much credit when it comes to line visibility (or invisibility). For reaction baits I do not think fish shy away from a bait due to "seeing line" or split ring, snap, etc attached. Maybe for subtle finesse deadsticking in ultra clear water it could make a difference in terms of fish rejecting a bait. 

I wasn't honestly saying anyone who chooses not to fish braid plus leader cannot tie knots or doesn't retie. I was speaking for myself in that I was rejecting the whole braid plus leader concept because I had not found a trustworthy knot and was lazy and didn't retie as often as I should (honestly, who does, lol?). I use straight braid on my heavy grass rods. But that's a no-brainer. But I now use braid on my spinning rods, except one dropshot rod, which has straight Sniper because I am doing a year-long test to see if I get any more or less bites fishing a dropshot for smallies with 832 w/ Sniper leader vs the straight Sniper. To date I have not seen any difference in actual bites. The difficulty for me with this 'experiment' is having to adjust (slightly) my response time and hooksets, as well as how much pressure I can get away with before popping the hook (on the braid setup). I also believe typical XF action rods (as my DS rods are) are not the best for fishing with braid; those are designed for use with mono or FC only.

This is a topic that goes round and round. At least it has with me. I guess what I wanted to say originally is I go through more line and thus more $$ by fishing straight FC, of which I was a true believer as being the best choice overall. I still may go back tom that. But I have to give braid/FC leader the 'old college try' and commit to one or two seasons of using braid with various FC leaders. So far my results show this as being overall superior. My end goal is to make my bass fishing as simple as possible while maximizing results = fish landed. I don't want 20 setups on deck each with a different main line choice.

At this point, I honestly believe I could catch as many or more bass using a single GLX MBR843 (as an example) with 20 lb. 832 and switching out FC leaders from 8-17 lb test and be able to fish every lure in my tackle box, effectively. That's as simple as it gets.

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If I haven't personal used a product the last people's advise I want is from someone who used it a couple times & writes a review!

For 11 yrs now I've read of roadworrier's exploits with larger that average small mouth on the Tennessee Rivers. Do to his reviews I've ordered a spool of 15# test & that's going from a diehard Big Game guy!

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16 minutes ago, Catt said:

If I haven't personal used a product the last people's advise I want is from someone who used it a couple times & writes a review!

For 11 yrs now I've read of roadworrier's exploits with larger that average small mouth on the Tennessee Rivers. Do to his reviews I've ordered a spool of 15# test & that's going from a diehard Big Game guy!

His reviews and others for as long as I've been on here is the only reason I use it. And that's 12# for cranks, spinnerbaits and chatterbaits. 

 

Mike

 

 

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1 hour ago, fishindad said:

Hey Mike,

Thanks, and I never would take what you or anyone writes as misunderstanding. I also use straight fluoro and have myself been very slow to adapt to using braid with a leader. Mostly because my eyes are 58 years old and I hadn't found a good reliable knot. I will speak for the majority of fishermen and women and say that we are on a limited budget, no? We all know the virtues of braid; lasts forever (relative to nylon), little to no stretch, etc, etc. And most importantly (for me) it isn't ruined by a backlash like FC. I fish in windy conditions most of the time and I admit my thumb is not at the level of KVD so I have lost my share of lures and fish due to FC breaking at a pinch point due to a backlash. 

I feel that once the commitment is made to use all braid, with and without a leader, anglers will more easily adjust their equipment (i.e. rods) and hooksets as needed so the landing rate is equal to or higher than with mono or FC. I fish very clear water of the Great Lakes/MI. I almost never see stained water like many folks do in other parts of the country. Yet I really believe we give fish too much credit when it comes to line visibility (or invisibility). For reaction baits I do not think fish shy away from a bait due to "seeing line" or split ring, snap, etc attached. Maybe for subtle finesse deadsticking in ultra clear water it could make a difference in terms of fish rejecting a bait. 

I wasn't honestly saying anyone who chooses not to fish braid plus leader cannot tie knots or doesn't retie. I was speaking for myself in that I was rejecting the whole braid plus leader concept because I had not found a trustworthy knot and was lazy and didn't retie as often as I should (honestly, who does, lol?). I use straight braid on my heavy grass rods. But that's a no-brainer. But I now use braid on my spinning rods, except one dropshot rod, which has straight Sniper because I am doing a year-long test to see if I get any more or less bites fishing a dropshot for smallies with 832 w/ Sniper leader vs the straight Sniper. To date I have not seen any difference in actual bites. The difficulty for me with this 'experiment' is having to adjust (slightly) my response time and hooksets, as well as how much pressure I can get away with before popping the hook (on the braid setup). I also believe typical XF action rods (as my DS rods are) are not the best for fishing with braid; those are designed for use with mono or FC only.

This is a topic that goes round and round. At least it has with me. I guess what I wanted to say originally is I go through more line and thus more $$ by fishing straight FC, of which I was a true believer as being the best choice overall. I still may go back tom that. But I have to give braid/FC leader the 'old college try' and commit to one or two seasons of using braid with various FC leaders. So far my results show this as being overall superior. My end goal is to make my bass fishing as simple as possible while maximizing results = fish landed. I don't want 20 setups on deck each with a different main line choice.

At this point, I honestly believe I could catch as many or more bass using a single GLX MBR843 (as an example) with 20 lb. 832 and switching out FC leaders from 8-17 lb test and be able to fish every lure in my tackle box, effectively. That's as simple as it gets.

It's all good Dad. 

My all around plastics rod is also a GLX 843C MBR that I use 14# Sniper on. Its hard for me to believe any other combo in any weather or conditions would be better.

In the soup bowl, tainted,  shallow, vegitation filled lakes I fish in down here to me a leader would be useles, and offer no advantage. In fact puposely adding, in my opinion, a possible week point in my line would be counterproductive. Maybe not where you live and your style of fishing but down here we need all the help we can get ;)

Good Luck 

 

Mike 

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it's been my go to for crashing the bottom with jigs, Crankbaits, etc anywhere that's rocky.  8-12lb Hybrid leaders have been much, much better for me on rocky rivers and lakes than XL, XT, InvisX, AbrasX, Sniper, red label, anything I've ever used from Stren, and probably half a dozen others.  It's not the most limp or the smallest diameter, but it takes a beating and has very little stretch.  Saying that there are better copolymer or FC lines out there for fishing rocks and/or the occasional toothy critter is interesting.  I have not found those lines.  

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11 minutes ago, Mike L said:

In the soup bowl, tainted,  shallow, vegitation filled lakes I fish in down here to me a leader would be useles, and offer no advantage. In fact puposely adding, in my opinion, a possible week point in my line would be counterproductive. Maybe not where you live and your style of fishing but down here we need all the help we can get ;)

Good Luck 

 

Mike 

This is Toledo when it was 12' low!

Add 12' of water, matted Hydrilla, & ask me if I'm using a leader!

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