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I am considering getting a MH moderate or mod-fast with braid baitcaster setup for spinners/chatterbaits/swim jigs. I was wondering if anyone had experience using treble hooks (square bill, lipless crankbaits, and spooks are my most used trebles) on the same setup (I fish off a kayak, so I can only bring 3-4 setups). Currently I'm using a MF spinning rod with Yozuri hybrid for my lighter cranks and spooks, but I do not like the Yozuri hybrid line. I've read that it doesn't have as much stretch as mono, but I still find it rubber-bands way too much for my preference, especially if I bomb a cast while bank fishing. I also find it difficult to rip off of grass and weeds because of the rubber-banding and did not have that issue when using braid.

Also, does anyone have an opinion on short shank trebles? I've heard they're better when using low stretch line. 

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No opinion on the short shank trebles, but my brother-in-law uses 40# PP on all his spinning rods (doesn't use any baitcast reels) and has no problems landing bass with that combo...braid and moderate action.  He lives in Florida so he lands bigger fish than any I've caught up here.

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I think that will work, people use braid on trebles quite often

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First off, HUGE Fan of Short shank (slightly over-sized) trebles, - insert Mustad KVD 1x strong 2x short Elite.

For me, when throwing treble hook baits, there needs to be some give in the system some where. 

More for small trebles less for larger trebles & / or ripping through grass (which I do a ton of).

There are various ways to accomplish this.  I do it a few different ways; with a composite rod & braid (sometimes nylon) line or with a graphite rod & nylon line or a Glass Rod & braid.  Rod action (medium, or medium heavy) usually depends on the bait weight.

Your mileage can & probably will vary.

A-Jay 

 

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not a fan of braid for trebles i find it just throws me off all of my moderate action rods have fluro on them simply because the reels i have on them do not seem to like braid. it slips on the citica and i don't want to be slipping on my hooksets

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felt the same way about Yo-Zuri Hybrid.  I found it way too stretchy.  I do, however LOVE CXX, which in comparison feels about it is as close to braid as you'd actually want for trebles and vibrating baits.  Just enough stretch, just enough stiffness and gobs of strength.  It's cheap too...    For clear lines it's all I use.  

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I use 20lb braid on a spinning rod for some top water and square bills.  The braid will get tangled in the trebles on some lures.  I fixed that by adding a 4" to 6" piece of stiff mono on the braid.  This completely eliminated the problem. 

Frank

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5 hours ago, Scarborough817 said:

not a fan of braid for trebles i find it just throws me off all of my moderate action rods have fluro on them simply because the reels i have on them do not seem to like braid. it slips on the citica and i don't want to be slipping on my hooksets

Put a piece of electrical tape on the spool. Slipping over. 

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that is what my cranking set up is, braid and a moderate action rod.  I love the combo and it has done me very well over the past few seasons.

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I know Guys who do it..I have a very soft cranking rod and tried braid on it for Squarebills but got stuck too often.  Even with the soft action the braid didn't bounce free like I wanted it to.

 

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Anything will work on a kayak.  If you jerk too hard the kayak moves.  :-)

Seriously, I really like braid + FC leader with a moderate action rod, or any action rod for that matter.  The comment on using hard mono is right on, also because it is tougher than mono designed to be line.  I use leader grade FC, too , on outfits not likely to cast surface lures.

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21 hours ago, Mosster47 said:

Put a piece of electrical tape on the spool. Slipping over. 

Or better yet fill half way with mono and save yourself some money.  No slipping either.

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I always use Stren Original in 14 pound test to half fill my reels. It tightens down well on the reel ( sp no slipping ) and lays nice and flat giving a good surface to fill either braid,fluoro or copolymer lines.  For rods that i throw jiggs plastics, frogs etc I really like Power Pro Spectra braid but for some reason I do really well using Suffix 832 in 20 pound test with crankbaits, and rattle traps. If I am in really deep clear water I either add a 4 foot  leader made of P Line CXX moss green line in 10 pound test.  My other rig for deep clear water and treble baits has P Line FloroClear in 12 pound test.

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My (and many other peoples) crankbait rods are moderate action. The extra give from the moderate rod allows fish to grab the lures better before the tip rips it away from them, and the parabolic bend helps keep tension on the trebles while fighting without letting the tip snap back introducing slack like a fast or xf would. that is the only real reason a lot of people use them exclusively for crankbaits, and I think you might find a moderate action to have a bit too much bend for single hook baits, or anything that requires a sweeping hook set. In my experience moderate rods are amazing crankbait rods, but not so great for spinners, swim jigs, and other single hook situations. 

As far as short shank trebles go, just like many other things they are situational. If I'm fishing heavy cover with cranks, I may switch to short shank hooks to prevent hang ups, and if the bass are hitting the crankbaits hard I will switch to short shank as I find it increases hookups on really aggressive fish. However, with wary bass, or if the fish are frequently slapping the crank and not getting hooked, it's time for long shank; in the same way that you throw on a trailer hook when your spinners are getting struck short, you use long shanks on your cranks. My top water always has long shank trebles as I feel it gives me better hook ups. I've also heard that many people prefer long shank for fishing grass, but I've never noticed much of a difference in that regard.

And as to line, I've never used the yo-zuri hybrid but have heard awful things about it. I use almost exclusively braid with a fluoro leader, with the only exception being my crankbait rods that have fluoro because I want as much depth with my crankbaits as possible and floating line seems counter productive. I haven't used mono as a leader or main line since switching to braid because I find the stretch infuriating. The only purpose mono has for me is as backing for my braid. 

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I use braid on both my MH Mod cranking rod and my Med/Mod jerkbait rod. Both have fairly soft tips which makes for a perfect match with braid.  As A-Jay stated, you need some give somewhere and I prefer it be from the rod and not from loosening the drag.

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I use braid on my moderate/fast rods.  I really like the sensitivity of braid on reaction baits.

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A-Jay was right on. You have to have "give" somewhere along the line in your setup. If you use a fast rod and stretchy mono, then the give at 20 yards is perfect. But when you get the fish 5 feet from you, there's not enough stretch in that short a shank of mono to act as a shock absorber. If you use braid and a moderate or moderate-slow rod, then you have the same "give" at 5 feet as you had a 25 yards. And the maximum flex of a slower rod can be especially useful in a 'yak.   jj

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I use 30# PP on my Avid X 7'MM. The rod has a ton of give on it so I don't feel I'm losing anything by throwing braid. 

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I use that exact set up for kayak fishing on my moderate rod. I tie on a leader, length depending on clarity (0-9'). Biggest difference is how you set the hook, treble with braid just lean into it. Do not jerk the rod for a hookset. With moving baits and no stretch line, the fish sets the hook and you just have to keep pressure on. That has been my experience. 

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If I don't have a mod action rod when using braid with treble, I loosen up the drag a bit, it isn't perfect but got me thru the Summer

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