6 minutes ago, Zcoker said:

Now that’s some amazing and intelligent advice you got there lol Care to volunteer?

The point is that your solution is fixing a problem that doesn't exist, and may make the issue worse.

Great read.  Took a couple pages, but it didn't take too too long to convince OP that he needed a new rod because a fish jumped.  BM win

12 minutes ago, J Francho said:

The point is that your solution is fixing a problem that doesn't exist, and may make the issue worse.

 

It's called Kayak Convergence. Not my creation nor is it my solution for anything or for anyone. I just find the concept interesting and have an open mind about it when I strike on a fish. 

11 minutes ago, Zcoker said:

 

It's called Kayak Convergence. Not my creation nor is it my solution for anything or for anyone. I just find the concept interesting and have an open mind about it when I strike on a fish. 

Like I said, I understand it's a thing, but it's not a thing affecting the hookset efficacy.  I've been kayak fishing since 2004 - it's not the problem.  You need to fix your hookset.

Complex physics with a pile of variables.  I do believe that hooksets from a seated position in a kayak are considerably more challenging than when standing on a bass boat.  Forget the angles for a minute.   Even if the hookset energy doesn't move the kayak much, the yak is already susceptible to greater motion from current, wind, tide, wakes, etc. The angles from horizontal are an issue, but so are the range of angles from straight ahead.   I make crazy, often ineffective, hooksets over my shoulder that I'd never have to attempt from a boat.

Way back in the 70’s to early 80’s when bass rods were rarely over 6’6” long using mono line I did several local seminars about catching big bass. 

The topic of hook sets always came up and would demonstrate my technique vs the hard cross their eye rod hook set. I would hold a jig by the hook bend tied to my line jig rod used to demonstrate how to hold the rod to feel strike by running the line under my thumb and index finger.

Someone always debated the reel hook set vs the rod hook set. I would hand my rod to a doubter, have them stand about about 50’ away from me while holding the jig and let them do their hook set. Nobody ever pulled the jig out of my fingers.

I would follow that by putting the jig hook point slightly into ac12” piece of 2 x 4 wood and hold it with both hands and have the same doubter do my reel hook set that barried the hook point into the wood and moved the 2 x 4 pulling my hands forward applying a lot of force.

The key to a good hook set is hook penetration passed the hook barb, that is all that’s needed.

Tom

48 minutes ago, J Francho said:

 You need to fix your hookset.

 

I never said that I had a problem with my hooksets, only that I missed a particular fish that hit a lure while I was untangling a wind knot. 

 

I brought up this idea of kayak convergence because I find it interesting, that’s all. 

 

 

On 10/7/2017 at 6:47 PM, BassinFLNY said:

Shimano ultegra 4K on 7 ft medium light spin rod, 12lb mono.

I'm going to suggest that this might not be the best balance of rod, reel, line and lure. It could also be a major reason why you see a bajillion rods on the deck of many bass boats and there might be several more in the locker. Horses for courses, or at least so sez the bait monkey.

 

A medium light spinning rod from Daiwa or Shimano would generally be rated for 4 or 5 to 10 lb mono/fluoro. Between the power (or lack thereof) of the rod and the stretch of monofilament, and that in my experience Spooks don't normally come with the stickiest/light-wire hooks, I am not super-surprised that there could be issues burying a barb or two into the jaws of bigger fish enough to keep them pinned.

 

It's a balancing act to get it all worked out to increase the consistency of landing fish that are initially hooked. I will be the first to admit that I usually find myself on a similar learning curve with baits that I am not super familiar with. In fact, I am currently in the middle of the same thing with another bait and have been contemplating starting a thread of my own for my particular dilemma.

15 hours ago, Zcoker said:

I brought up this idea of kayak convergence because I find it interesting, that’s all. 

I get it now - it's a problem that doesn't exist.  Thanks for clarifying.  Carry on.

Zombies, the big one that got away, AND kayak fishing? Bingo!

I will say that setting a hook in a yak is different, since you can only properly use your arms and shoulder, as opposed to whole body rotation as one can while fishing like a human, has nothing to do with the boat (I use the term loosely) moving around. 

The only fish I lose are my new PBs.... weird.

It's kind of funny how everyone knows the EXACT weight of a fish they lost.