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Gut hooking fish by accident

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Unfortunately some fish i have been catching recently are swallowing the hooks to deep, i am using pheobe spoons and mepps spinners, which have trebles, and i want to prevent it from happening. Should i replace with single inline hooks? If so what size

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I think what you may need to do is be aware of the Bite detection. In other words have one of your fingers in contact with the line at all times, and also watch your line closely. To me, it sounds as though you may be waiting to long to set the hook.

As soon as you feel a tic, reel down and sweep your rod to the side, no need to swing for the fences with those baits. I've gut hooked a bass once in all the years I've been fishing.

Keep in mind, a bass can inhale, and then spit your bait in the blink of an eye, so you need to react accordingly.

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Yes switch to sing hooks.  Not only will you do less damage to the bass, but you will loose fewer bass that you hook.  There is no need for a treble hook on an inline spinner or small spoon.

Switch to an in-line hook. The gap of the inline book should be the same as any two of the treble hook points. The in-line hook will look big. If in doubt ask Google for a conversion chart

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What size hook for a little pheobe spoon? 

I don’t think a regular hook is going to help the bass not swallow the bait. That’s on you. 

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2 hours ago, Cbump said:

I don’t think a regular hook is going to help the bass not swallow the bait. That’s on you. 

Its not necessarily gut hooking, its moreso that i dont want to have to unhook 3 trebles in a small fishes mouth. 

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Use siwash hooks. They are strong and that’s what we use when switching trebles for single hooks, since sometimes for us, trebles are verboten. 
 

As for the size of the hook, it is probably a good rule to choose a single siwash hook that is the same size as one of the three tines of the treble. 

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9 hours ago, islandbass said:

Use siwash hooks. They are strong and that’s what we use when switching trebles for single hooks, since sometimes for us, trebles are verboten. 
 

As for the size of the hook, it is probably a good rule to choose a single siwash hook that is the same size as one of the three tines of the treble. 

I dont know the size of the trebles, and none of the bait shops near me sell the single hooks. I want to order them online but have no idea what size to get. The little spoons i use catch everything from yellow perch to bluegill, of pretty much any size

2 hours ago, Gregorym38 said:

I dont know the size of the trebles, and none of the bait shops near me sell the single hooks. I want to order them online but have no idea what size to get. The little spoons i use catch everything from yellow perch to bluegill, of pretty much any size

Goggle has conversion charts. Of course, you have to know the size of the treble hook

12 hours ago, islandbass said:

Use siwash hooks. They are strong and that’s what we use when switching trebles for single hooks, since sometimes for us, trebles are verboten. 
 

As for the size of the hook, it is probably a good rule to choose a single siwash hook that is the same size as one of the three tines of the treble. 

I don’t use sieash hooks because the angle of the eye makes them hang horizontally instead of vertically, like the inline hooks. They are two completely different designs. If they work for you, keep using them

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10 hours ago, looking45 said:

Goggle has conversion charts. Of course, you have to know the size of the treble hook

I don’t use sieash hooks because the angle of the eye makes them hang horizontally instead of vertically, like the inline hooks. They are two completely different designs. If they work for you, keep using them

That’s cool. It’s what we use in the Pacific Northwest for trout and salmon and basically anything else when trebles aren’t permitted. They’ve also been used for decades before I started fishing. 
 

I do see your point and the issue you pointed out could be alleviated with the use of an appropriately sized split ring. Matter of fact, when I build my inline spinners, more often than not, I incorporate a split ring.


What you illustrated about siwash hooks is something I never even considered so much appreciated. 


With that said, I’ve not experienced any downside to using them for any species, both with and without the split ring. My preference when possible is to use a split ring, but it won’t be a showstopper if I don’t have a split ring to use.

 

I have seen fish take my siwash-armed inline spinners and spoons from just about every conceivable attack angle - from the side, underneath, and especially from the rear. I cannot say it as a fact, but I can say based on observation, that the hook lying horizontally has not reduced hook ups. Bottom line, they sure beat trebles on in-line spinners and spoons for me, lol. 
 

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On 7/31/2022 at 11:35 PM, Gregorym38 said:

Its not necessarily gut hooking, its moreso that i dont want to have to unhook 3 trebles in a small fishes mouth. 

 

You don't have to replace you hooks to do what you want.  You're not gut hooking fish, you're just dealing with treble hooks the same as everyone deals with treble hooks.  Yes, in a small mouth you have to manage three hooks.  Get a pair of pliers or hemostats that can do it.  Pinch your barbs down first.  If its still a problem for you, then cut one of the three bends off a hook.  Then you're only dealing with two.  If its STILL a problem, cut off another bend.  You can do all of that without having to buy anything.  If you find that you still prefer the single hooks then at that point convert some of your lures to singles.

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