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Relating to baitcasting with 30# braid and 15-20# leaders.  I use an Alberto Knot and I'm pretty good at tying and trimming it.  Sometimes that little catch of the knot going through rod guides will cause a backlash.  A fresh leader will typically be the length of rod tip to reel, getting shorter with each re-tie;  I replace them when they reach about 3 feet, and it seems a backlash is more likely to occur with a short leader.  Do any of you experience this and do you have a cure?

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You want to trim all of the tag to avoid blow by knots.  Nail clippers are the best I've found to get a flush trim without damaging anything else.  You can learn an FG and they're not hard to tie skill wise, but they take more time and concentration.  I can't tie an FG in the dark or in the surf and keep my eye on the waves at the same time, that's why my go to is an Alberto.

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Leader is not a requirement for bass fishing.  I don't use them.  Problem cured.

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^^^^this^^^^
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With casting gear I use a leader for all baits with treble hooks to mitigate line wrap...... Devil's Horse being worse case scenario on front prop.

Use nothing but Alberto with no issues at all. 

20# braid to 12# flouro.

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If it is catching on the tip top guide you could try changing to a larger size ring on that guide.

I use back to back nail knots, a fly tackle knot. Gives a reliable compact knot. I make the leader long enough so the knot goes into the reel and have no problems.

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I don't use leaders with casting gear, only on spinning and use the FG knot to connect the braid to leader. JMHO

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Having the leader tag pointing forward when casting may be what's causing issues. Try some different leader knots.

I get 40lb 832 to a 25lb sniper leader through #5 guides without issue using the simplified GT knot from a few years ago. It's not a small knot, but is easy to tie. It will occasionally catch when reeling in through the guides, but not when casting. 

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Are you using microguides by any chance? I fish braid to leader almost exclusively and don't ever have this issue. Alberto and Blood knots for me. I will say, 30lb braid to 20lb leader is a large gap in line diameter and that can play a roll. I would either downsize the leader or upsize the braid to at least 40 if not 50lb. My typical setup is 30lb to 12lb or 40lb to 16/20lb. 

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I only use microguides when using no leader.  From all the replies, general opinions are for smaller diameter line, larger eyelets, and/or learn the FG knot.  I'll try, but know I won't like it;  especially learning the FG knot.  Thankyou everyone.

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