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Hello all. All of my current rods are avids and I love them. I have been reading great reviews on the new mojos. I am in the market for a shaky and carolina rod. Would I be disappointed with the mojos comparing them to the avids??? Thanks

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I've handled a few Mojos in the store, even put a reel and bait on to see what they felt like, the tapers, and balance. I wasn't impressed at all. Not even for the great price. They weren't bad, per se, just that besides the amped up paint, tough guy graphics, and split/no fore grip, there really wasn't much there beyond a Premier.

Avids, on the other hand, strike a amazing balance between refinement and value that makes them a benchmark. I have three of them, AVC70MM, AVCMHM, and AVC62MXF, and they are all fantastic.

You might not be "disappointed," but I don't think the two compare, even leaving price in the equation.  $90 is a lot for a rod that doesn't feel very special.  $160 always seems like a steal for the Avids.

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If you get a Mojo to use as a shaky rod, you will definitely be able to feel the differences between them. I think the Avid would be a better choice for a technique where sensitivity is critical like shaky heads.

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I beg to differ on this point of few. I've had Avids, Premier's, Triumphs and now the Mojos. I think they are a steal for $90. Nice balance, light and cheap. Just because it's cheap doesn't mean it's not good. I'm not disappointed and I don't think you will be either, I don't know if they have a shakey head rod yet. Good luck,

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After holding a Mojo and an Avid with identical ratings, light would not be a word that comes to mind describing the Mojo.  If your primary goal is a light rod, I'd take a look at the Daiwa S-Bass series in this price point.

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I beg to differ on this point of few. I've had Avids, Premier's, Triumphs and now the Mojos. I think they are a steal for $90. Nice balance, light and cheap. Just because it's cheap doesn't mean it's not good. I'm not disappointed and I don't think you will be either, I don't know if they have a shakey head rod yet. Good luck,

The Mojo might very well be a great deal but the Avid is a great deal as well. It is a very nice rod for the price and offers unarguably better performance than the Mojos.

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The mojo is one of the top rods at its price point, and no doubt a bargain, but the Avid will offer lighter weight and a crisper action.  At the $90-$100 price point, I would look at the Mojo and the Shimano Compre.  Those Compre's are nice...

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The mojo is one of the top rods at its price point, and no doubt a bargain, but the Avid will offer lighter weight and a crisper action. At the $90-$100 price point, I would look at the Mojo and the Shimano Compre. Those Compre's are nice...

I agree, but also think they are a bit nose heavy. There's been an abundant reminder that they are built on the Premier blank, the point is that they are designed and look different. That's what intrigued me.  They are more than functional and they look "sporty".

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thanks guys. i think ill stick with the avids.

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I hate to bring facts into this discussion BUT:

Actual Weights of Avid and Mojo

Mojo: 7MHF 4.6oz

Avid:  7MHF 4.7oz

Mojo:  7MF 4.2oz

Avid:   7MF 4.1oz

AVIDS ARE NOT LIGHTER :)

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After holding a Mojo and an Avid with identical ratings, light would not be a word that comes to mind describing the Mojo.

That's strange. A guy on another forum weighed a 66MHF Avid and a 66MHF Mojo and the Mojo was lighter. To confirm this finding, I went to the St Croix website and did a comparison of the listed rod weights. For the 6 casting rods with identical ratings, the Mojo had the lower listed weight 4 times. the two exceptions were 70MF 4.2 oz. Mojo vs. 4.1 oz. Avid, and 70HF 5.3 Mojo vs. 5.0 Avid. The most any of them differed by was .3 oz, which is hardly a huge difference and probably not enough to reliably tell a difference by holding them.

edit: Looks like hawgchaser beat me to it.  :)

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The Mojos look nice, but I do not like the split grip or the lack of the front grip.  But I am not fond of the Power Hump style grip handle of the Avid either.  So at this point I have just been using the Premieres and am quite happy.

Later, :)

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Are there actual differences between these rods? Yes

Will it be noticeable to mos anglers? Nope

In fact some will find the Mojo to be the better rod bc they are more comfortable with the design.

High end rods are certainly great BUT there is a point where they add nothing detectible to the fisherman. i would be willing to bet that if the Mojo was priced higher than the Avid, people would be saying that the Mojo is more sensitive and lighter. No not all rods are the same but a good rod is not much different from a great rod in most cases.

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I hate to bring facts into this discussion BUT:

Actual Weights of Avid and Mojo

Mojo: 7MHF 4.6oz

Avid: 7MHF 4.7oz

Mojo: 7MF 4.2oz

Avid: 7MF 4.1oz

AVIDS ARE NOT LIGHTER :)

I think the deception of being heavier, is that the split grip design makes it more forward heavy.

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After holding a Mojo and an Avid with identical ratings, light would not be a word that comes to mind describing the Mojo.  

That's strange. A guy on another forum weighed a 66MHF Avid and a 66MHF Mojo and the Mojo was lighter. To confirm this finding, I went to the St Croix website and did a comparison of the listed rod weights. For the 6 casting rods with identical ratings, the Mojo had the lower listed weight 4 times. the two exceptions were 70MF 4.2 oz. Mojo vs. 4.1 oz. Avid, and 70HF 5.3 Mojo vs. 5.0 Avid. The most any of them differed by was .3 oz, which is hardly a huge difference and probably not enough to reliably tell a difference by holding them.

edit: Looks like hawgchaser beat me to it.  :)

The numbers on paper might be correct, but they DO NOT correlate to my impressions in the store.  .3 oz is IMPERCEPTIBLE to most mortals.  You guys need to stop looking at spec sheets, and actually use the product.  Overall, the Mojos left me unimpressed, and I was really looking forward to getting several.  I'll be buying none.

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I hate to bring facts into this discussion BUT:

Actual Weights of Avid and Mojo

Mojo: 7MHF 4.6oz

Avid: 7MHF 4.7oz

Mojo: 7MF 4.2oz

Avid: 7MF 4.1oz

AVIDS ARE NOT LIGHTER :)

I don't have either rod, but if you're going to be picky with the facts then you've got to take into account the fact that the mojo doesn't have nearly as much material in the handle (split grip and no foregrip) so an equally heavy mojo will "feel" heavier because more of the weight is in the blank/rod (forward of the handle) and not in the handle itself.

edited to add: guess I should've read the entire thread.  firefightn said basically the same thing already.

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After holding a Mojo and an Avid with identical ratings, light would not be a word that comes to mind describing the Mojo.

That's strange. A guy on another forum weighed a 66MHF Avid and a 66MHF Mojo and the Mojo was lighter. To confirm this finding, I went to the St Croix website and did a comparison of the listed rod weights. For the 6 casting rods with identical ratings, the Mojo had the lower listed weight 4 times. the two exceptions were 70MF 4.2 oz. Mojo vs. 4.1 oz. Avid, and 70HF 5.3 Mojo vs. 5.0 Avid. The most any of them differed by was .3 oz, which is hardly a huge difference and probably not enough to reliably tell a difference by holding them.

edit: Looks like hawgchaser beat me to it. :)

The numbers on paper might be correct, but they DO NOT correlate to my impressions in the store. .3 oz is IMPERCEPTIBLE to most mortals. You guys need to stop looking at spec sheets, and actually use the product. Overall, the Mojos left me unimpressed, and I was really looking forward to getting several. I'll be buying none.

I have not used any Avids, and won't be getting any any time soon because they are out of my price range. I have handled them in stores, and they are nice rods. Maybe when I am out of college and have a real full time job I will be able to get some. On the other hand, I do have a Mojo that I am very impressed with so far, although my use of it has been limited to backyard practice. It is also the first rod over $50 I have had, so to me it feels like the best rod in the world. I brought up the actual weights just to show that our perceptions can sometimes be deceiving, I probably should have made that more clear. Ultimately how it feels to you is more important than the specs, you're absolutely right. If you feel like the Mojos are significantly worse than your Avids, fish your Avids and be happy. I will continue enjoying my Mojo. ;)

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Then why comment, and then get defensive?

The original question:

Would I be disappointed with the mojos comparing them to the avids???

Since you haven't handled an Avid, how can you comment honestly?

BTW, I'm glad you are enjoying your Mojos.  They appear to be very well made, as all St. Croix rods are.

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I heard some conflicting stories (mainly from another site I check out on occassion) now about the Mojo's. The main complaint that I heard is the rod is too tip heavy. Have any of you Mojo owners noticed this?

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Then why comment, and then get defensive?

The original question:

Would I be disappointed with the mojos comparing them to the avids???

Since you haven't handled an Avid, how can you comment honestly?

BTW, I'm glad you are enjoying your Mojos. They appear to be very well made, as all St. Croix rods are.

Notice I never said that Mojo's were as good as Avids or anything of the sort. As you pointed out, I'm not qualified to say that. I simply read your comments on it, visited another forum where someone else had a different opinion from yours and had some data with it as well, did some fact checking and shared what I found.

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I heard some conflicting stories (mainly from another site I check out on occassion) now about the Mojo's. The main complaint that I heard is the rod is too tip heavy. Have any of you Mojo owners noticed this?

I felt it was slightly tip heavy when I first got it, but it balanced nicely when I put a reel on it.

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I hate to bring facts into this discussion BUT:

Actual Weights of Avid and Mojo

Mojo: 7MHF 4.6oz

Avid: 7MHF 4.7oz

Mojo: 7MF 4.2oz

Avid: 7MF 4.1oz

AVIDS ARE NOT LIGHTER :)

I don't have either rod, but if you're going to be picky with the facts then you've got to take into account the fact that the mojo doesn't have nearly as much material in the handle (split grip and no foregrip) so an equally heavy mojo will "feel" heavier because more of the weight is in the blank/rod (forward of the handle) and not in the handle itself.

edited to add: guess I should've read the entire thread. firefightn said basically the same thing already.

I am hardly being "picky with the facts'. Several people said the Mojos were heavier and that you would get a lighter rod with the Avid. If I was trying to decide on the rod and never felt one, I would have thought the Mojo was a heavy bulky rod. When in fact it is the exact same.

Now, if you feel that it balances differently, thats another matter. I find that it balances well with a light reel. I can tell no difference between the 2 rods and i fish with both.

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I heard some conflicting stories (mainly from another site I check out on occassion) now about the Mojo's. The main complaint that I heard is the rod is too tip heavy. Have any of you Mojo owners noticed this?

A lot of rods that have split grips are tip heavy i.e. carrot stick ltx. Just goes with the territory, putting weight on the end like the carrot stick weight port system is a great way to take care of tip heavy rods!

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I hate to bring facts into this discussion BUT:

Actual Weights of Avid and Mojo

Mojo: 7MHF 4.6oz

Avid: 7MHF 4.7oz

Mojo: 7MF 4.2oz

Avid: 7MF 4.1oz

AVIDS ARE NOT LIGHTER :)

I think the deception of being heavier, is that the split grip design makes it more forward heavy.

Don't mean to sound like a broken record.  But I agree 100% with this.  The Mojo I own is awefully tip heavy IMO, and you'd never guess that the weights between those and the Avids are as close as they are if you held the rods side by side.  I acually thought that my 7'H BPS Extreme was lighter than the Mojo until I actually weighed them.  The Mojo just felt heavier.  I agree with Natural about the Avids just having an overall "crisper" feel.  The Mojo's do have a great look, though.

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