Hey all....

I have been exploring flourocarbon and hybrid lines and was refered by several members to K.V.D Line and Lure conditioner and Real Magic to help mantain the "useability" of the line and prevent wind knots and backlashes. The price of K.V.D. L+L put me off so I went with Real Magic. First test last night went well. It smells like WD40 to me. What is the major component of both? Anyone with any thought or opinions?

Thanks,

ajr

KVD's works much better than the other, IMO

Big O

I think you made a very poor decision.  Sorry.  L&L made Reel Magic seem useless the very first time I used it.

Yep, KVD Line & Lure Conditioner is one of those rare products that

actually lives up to the hype. I highly recommend it to you.

8-)

I too used to think that the price of KVD was too high. That was, until I used it once.

I'll never buy real magic again.

I will always have a bottle of KVD on hand.

L&L works on all three types of line while Reel Magic for the most part only works on Mono.  Hate to say it but you definitely should have gotten the KVD L&L.  L&L is also ordorless and has a bunch of other uses like cleaning your depth finder screens and sunglasses.  Did you keep the receipt?   ;D

O.K. guys.......

Can you elaborate a bit? I appreciate the information, just wondering what the big difference is. The Real Magic was cheap enough where I can use it as an all around lubricant...not worried. I just felt that the   K.V.D.L+L was a "name" thing. If I'm wrong...I'm wrong!!

Again, thanks for the info. so far.

Alan

Sorry, but .... you're wrong.  KVD endorses it because it works - very well.

L&L not only coats the line, it penetrates it and fills in the small imperfections on the line's surface.

Real Magic can actually strip a layer off your line, reducing it's strength.

I have to admit, the first time I tried it, I was skeptical.  It was like milky water - seemed to be not much more than that.  I let it soak overnight, then went fishing in the morning.  I immediately noticed a difference.  Casting was much easier, and backlashes came out much easier. All this without any oily residue.

Great stuff!

Thanks Glenn,

You learn more from being wrong than thinking you are always right!!! I'll grab some next time I'm at BPS.

ajr

I just bought some of the KVD stuff. What is the best way to apply this?

Thanks.

Most suggest applying it to a cloth towel (not paper) and running your line through it. However, I apply the conditioner as I spool after every ten cranks or so. You can

also spray your big, storage spools before putting the line on your reel. The KVD

needs to dry for awhile before being used, overnight is better.

8-)

Same exact product.  only difference is maybe some extra secret ingredient...  Either way both are an excellent way to waste your money.

Does KVD's L and L make your line a lot more limp and manageable? Would you say it reduces backlashes and tangles in both spinning and casting gear?

Same exact product. only difference is maybe some extra secret ingredient... Either way both are an excellent way to waste your money.

Your statement is incorrect. Oil is the base component for Reel Magic,

water for KVD Line & Lure. The products have very few similarities.

Same exact product. only difference is maybe some extra secret ingredient... Either way both are an excellent way to waste your money.

Well since it''s my money I will keep "wasting" it on the L&L; this stuff does exactly what it says it will-- which is exactly what I want it to do.

Same exact product. only difference is maybe some extra secret ingredient... Either way both are an excellent way to waste your money.

Your statement is incorrect. Oil is the base component for Reel Magic,

water for KVD Line & Lure. The products have very few similarities.

Both are silicone(sp?) based lubricants.  The main difference is one is oil based the other is as you said water based..  But both use the same ingredients beyond that .  it tend to wrork better for most because the water evaporates and leave just the right amount of oil to soak and then soften the line.

Just curious but where did you come up with your information concerning the molecular composition of these two? And have you used both products to tell if they are not beneficial to use?

I have quite a bit of experience with both. i and some coworkers were part of the testing/demo group for L&L. Yes it works, but is it really needed.. No... there are other items which can do the same thing. Will most fisherman find it usefull.. Yes...

you asked the question, and I gave an answer.. Sorry you guys didn't like the answer.

Acording to the guy who invented KVD line and lure, it is water based.

bwirth1999,

Your credibility was lost when you initially stated these were "Same exact product." They are not and you haven't a clue as to the formulation of KVD Line & Lure Conditioner. Your conclusion that "Either way both are an excellent way to waste your money" is simply exacerbating.

I have quite a bit of experience with both. i and some coworkers were part of the testing/demo group for L&L. Yes it works, but is it really needed.. No... there are other items which can do the same thing. Will most fisherman find it usefull.. Yes...

you asked the question, and I gave an answer.. Sorry you guys didn't like the answer.

This statement makes no sense to me.  You don't need anything more than more than a quick set of hands to catch a fish.  

If you have certain requirements then you can find the correct products to fill those requirements.  Not all of us have the same requirements from our gear. Products that do what they claim make this process a lot eaiser.

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bwirth1999,

Your cedibility was lost when you initially stated these were "Same exact product." They are not and you haven't a clue as to the formulation of KVD Line & Lure Conditioner. Your conclusion that "Either way both are an excellent way to waste your money" is simply exacrebating.

w/e you say.  If you change your line at the directed time frame you wouldnt need L&L or reel magic... but for those who dont, i guess it's not a waste..  Plus it makes a great cleaner...  But...   Both products will perform their said tasks, but one..L&L will do it far better, but wont lubricate nearly as well for as long...  As for being the same product, they are... I shouldn't have used exact same, but they are the same TYPE of product..  both are silicone oil lubricants.  

bwirth1999

Maybe you should read their website http://www.lineandlure.com/

Pay particular attention to the line that says.

"Contains no polluting petroleum distillates as in other conditioners"

where in any of my statements did i say that it contained petrolium oil?  

When they say other lubricants they mean, wd-40, and the like.  Those are petrolium oils, L&L are silicone oils which is why they are safe to use on your fishing line.

Same exact product. only difference is maybe some extra secret ingredient... Either way both are an excellent way to waste your money.