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Hello everybody.  I'm a new user so bear with me.  I think I'm in the right board.  I went fishing today,01-07-06,  and did fair or what I would think is fair.  I had several large bass hit my plastic lure and no matter how hard I tried to set the hook they would still get away.  I thought they were hitting at the back of the lure so I moved my hook back, still nothing.  Then I decided to push the hook threw the base of the body barely hiding the hook and that didn't work.  Any ideas on what I can do?

2nd question----I'm having a hard time on selecting the right color bait for the conditions that I'm fishing in?  I mainly fish with plastic baits ( lizards, worms, etc).  I do just  fine with spinner baits even though I don't use them much.  I also fish with jigs (black/blue).  Any ideas?

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bassmaster4879, what size hook are you using?  Also what color plastics are you using?  It sounds like the fish might be a little unsure of something and that's why they're not gobbling it down.   :)

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Im using a #2 hook and the colors I'm using are cotton candy, june bug, and watermelon.  The color jig I use is black/blue only.  

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Soft plastics on ponds are my strong suit. First of all, some of your "strikes" may have been rocks or branches. A "hit" is almost always a double tap. I generally reel down and set the hook with a snap hook-set, which is "weak", mostly wrist, not a Bill Dance hook-set.

There will be lots of opinions on what are the right color for the situation, but I ALWAYS fish natural colors. About as wild as I get is watermelom with black and red flakes or black neon. My main color is "Dark".

Specific recommendations:

Gamakatsu 4/0 or 5/0 EWG. I can't say enough about how important the right size and a sharp hook is in putting together a rig.

You MUST have a fast action rod with a firm tip. Soft plastics are about a quick hook-set.

I think you need no less than a medium power rod with a fast, firm tip.

BTW, Welcome aboard!

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I'm assuming you mean a 2/0 hook. A number 2 hook might be a tad small for fishing plastic worms.

You didn't say what kind of worm you were fishing or what size. I wouldn't fish anything larger than a 6" this time of year. You might have scaled the size back a bit if they were short striking or you might want to try a worm with a little less tail action and dead stick it. When a bass hits let him run a little with it. Usually it's best to fish a Berkley Powerbait product or one of the Yum products, the fish tend to hold onto to those longer.

As for colors,  If the waters clear I prefer watermelons, pumpkinseeds or amber colored worms,  in stained  I'll fish the same but dip-n-glo some chartreuse on the tail. I'll also go with Junebug if it's a lowlight situation.  In stained I love Junebug, Black neon with chartreuse tail.  

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roadwarrior:  I know it is a fish instead of a branch or rock because I see the fish.  My line is moving in another direction and that is when I try to set the hook.  That is were my problem is.  I have tried to give the fish time to take the bait before I set the hook and that doesn't help.  This same thing happened to me about 2 years ago and just now starting back up.  I really missed some big fish.  I don't want this to happen again.  I can see losing 1 or 2 or even 3, but around 10 to 15 fish.  That is just outragious.

The hook size is a 2/0.  Sorry

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I would have to agree with roadwarrior using the right size and sharp hooks are important  I fish ponds alot and would say the same thing not to mistake the hits for vegitation in the water but since you see the fish I'm not real sure. Are you using ewg hooks. I think they help in certain situations

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I might have to fish with smaller baits.  The hooks are brand new before I use them.  They are FLW Tour brand.  Extra sharp.  That is what a friend suggested at work, go to smaller baits.  How does that sound???

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I would try some scents, maybe the fish will hold on longer allowing you to get a better hookset. What action rod are you using, for soft plastics I wouldn't go below a Medium? Also set the hook when the fish bite, they can suck a worm in faster than most think.

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4/0 EWG with Junebug Brush Hog.This time of year I would never sug to go smaller.I don't know what the temp of the water is where your at but if it's inbetween 45-55 that is what I would do.These fish don't want to put out alot of energy for small amounts of food.Give them a reason to want it.And I pond fish AWHOLE BUNCH.Once the water hits 40degrees I will be out there flippin and pitchin.Make sure your using a trialer on your jig as well.

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get back to the basics.  Buy a few bags of senkos in pumpkin, watermelon , and june bug and hook em t-rigged with no weight.  Pick a fishy looking spot and toss it in their nice and easy.  The hook shoud be 3/o or possibly 4/o,  Let the bugger sink and carefully watch the line for movment.  It you see the line jump a little reel in the slack and set the hook.  If not raise the rod tip slowly and let it drop again.  then reel in and cast to another spot.  iF You are stealthy and persistnant you will catch fish.

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I'm using a baby bush hog.  I'ts about medium size so I cant use a 3/0 or 4/0 hook.  I would have more hook than bait.  Do yall think that I should use just the regular size bush hog.  I never have mucn luck with bigger baits but seeing what just happened I will use anything.  I also want to thank the people that is helping with this problem.  It means alot to know that there are people out their that wants to help you and not hurt you.   THANKS AGAIN!!!!

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This talk about hooks and hook-sizes got me to remember something I read in a book.  Shaw Grigsby uses a 1 HP hook in a lot of his plastics.  I can't say I really know what this means, but from the picture, it looks almost like a circle hook, but more oval.  He says the reason for this is that its easier for the bass to push the hook through the bait and therefore easier to set the hook.  I haven't tried this myself, but it may be helpful just to switch to circle hooks rather than a regular worm hook.  Could be worth a shot, anyways.

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I agree that wacky rigging is better for getting hooksets, but RW's thoughts re" branches etc. can't be totally disregarded.  I'm also suspecting that the rod is probably not heavy enough.  Plenty of backbone is needed to set the hook through some plastic baits.   The last thing that comes to mind may be the most important of all.  Namely "timing"  I have been able to set the hook securely on big bass using light equipment if the timeing of the strike is just right.  Conversely I have missed fish, using heavy equipment if timed wrong.

You want your hookset to be fast at the tip.  This means you should have a little travel before the hook actually engages the fish.  Assuming the hook is large enough to penetrate the plastic and the bass' jaw, then timing the strike properly almost always results in a positive hookup.

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Your going to want to use a reg size brush hog unless your fishing for smallies which I'm sure your not.I reason is that with brush hogs there are alot of times their just going to hit the back end of it.Thats the reason for the 4/0-5/0 hook.And alot of times big bass are only going to give you 1-2 times to hook them then that will be it.There is a place I go on a small pond in my float tube that I KNOW I will gei 1-2 good hard bites and that is it.I know the fish live in this area and they are big.Almost every time I go there I will get a hit on the 1st or 2nd flip.If I miss it is over,but when I hook-up I know there will at least a 5lber all the way up 9lber on.Have to make the best of your early chances.

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I see you're from TX and you mentioned you can see the fish.  Is it possible these are spawners?  If so, the situation you describe is not entirely uncommon.  The fish aren't actually trying to eat the bait.  They are just moving it away from their nests.  Just a thought.

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I would agree with RR an Avid concerning the power and action of the rod. When I first started fishing T-rigged plastics (not long after water was created), I had a wimpy rod and missed most of the fish. You don't need a high dollar rod, but you have to have one fast enough to drive the hook home. Cajun suggested an exposed hook, and I have caught some of my biggest fish using plastics on an open jig, or even one with a brush guard. It might increase your hook-up rate.

Hang in there brother! You will get the hang of it.

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   I would recommend using an extra wide gap hook. A 3/0 EWG fits perfectly in a baby brushog. Im not sure how you rig it exactly, but try rigging the hook so that the top of the hook where the point is just barely skins the top of the brush hog.

    I use the tiny brush hogs in ponds, with a 1/0 EWG. I have no problem hooking them with that size.

Good Luck!  

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I have tried every suggestion and still nothing.  I do believe that they may be tring to go into pre-spawn due to the temp. down here being so warm  (60-75 degree F).  It should be in the low 30's to mid 50's. They may be just moving the lure away.  What do I do when this happens????

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Cajun 1977:   It looks like I might have too.  LOL   :-[  I kind of like the change your hook idea better myself.  LOL ;D  If I don't start bring fish home this is what I will be doing

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bassmaster4879,

I agree with the rest, that 2/0 is alot of the problem.

3/0 is th smallest I use for worms and most of my T-rigs.

But when I use the Baby brush hogs and smaller baits,

I will use a 2/0 texposer hooks, but only that style.

I have used many other, but the texposer are extra sharp

and the angle of it allows more hook ups.

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bassmaster4879,

If those fish are spawning(and with the winter you all have had is entirely possible), set that hook as soon as you see the bass pick it up and keep at it. It may take 50, 60, or more try's on the same fish to get a hookset. Like others have said if you can use an exposed hook, it might help.

If you cannot use an open hook, BassNut may be on the right track. Try out those Lunker City texposer hooks. I think these are the most cost effective, under appreciated, unused hooks on the market. I would be willing to bet some unused helicopter lures I have(you pay the shipping if I am proven wrong. ::)), that these hooks will improve darn near anyone's hook up ratio on almost any soft plastic bait! ;D

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Still not hooking up?? Well now it is time to foget plastics and go with a rapala floating minnow size 11. With three sharp treble hooks in there face, the bass will have more of a problem spitting the bait out.  ;)  

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