Brian Needham

http://youtu.be/ja-dg89wr-s

Huntin is serious bidness down here for many. those two on the other hand are a couple of real turkeys.

I really don't know to be honest, but I sure can't think of many I missed since I started using it a few years ago.

I have caught a coot with the trolling motor before,LOL

Don't get me wrong Paul, your post was awesome! Jeff and I had the same question/debate when speaking of variables. we asked ourselves........ if pre spawn happens 10-12 degrees before the spawn, does post spawn (defined as period before summer pattern) last 10-12 degrees after egg laying? or SHOULD it, in context of debate? without context within the variables, its just a never ending circle........for me at least, it would be nice to hammer down some absolutes to begin somewhat of a "case study" within our own waters.

great way to make it simple Catt!!! I like simple! Paul Roberts, I am going have to read that again......LOTS of info there. Thanks! this thread has got nuggets all through it.

I think the owner deep throat is hands down the best jig hook out there. I have no idea why many jig makers quit using it, once you stick em they are stuck!

not much is a secret anymore......thats for sure.

Rule 1 to stroking a jig........you don't tell people you are stroking a jig.

happens most every summer at the golf course....... I really got to watch water levels and make sure not to pump too much cold water into the hot pond. I really think once those gizzard shad get about a foot long they just get old and any stress gets them.

Paul forgive me, as you don't know me very well........this is normal everyday conversation! LOL you got to go off on a few tangents to find out what the main idea REALLY was! hahahah

actually Francho the debate was PRE or POST spawn, though we have moved somewhat from the intial intent.... good info all around

PABASS.......... it is my personal belief that's when the photo length period factor kicks in. Much like humans with the time change. I know me, I can tell when the "fall back" of the clocks USED to happen before they changed it. I am very tired for 2-3 weeks until the "new" fall back occurs....... Point is fish know this too, as it is instinct to know when the daylight hours are long enough. The eggs need certain amount sunlight to "hatch". my reasoning is here in Arkansas we can have 80 degree days for a week in Feb, but that don't mean the spawn is happening. JMO, as I am learning more and more everyday about patterns and the science behind it. OR at least trying to.

between Dwight, Catt and WRB, its much clearer now. gonna buy a rope and thermometer

thanks guys.......now here is the new question: since temps are not the leading indicator, core water temps are........ do the core water temps warm faster or slower than the surface? we all know water holds heat, but does the water at depth "get" its heat only from the surface? hmmmmmm........

Catt , I want you to explain something to this ole boy from Arkansas. I have seen you say the pre spawn patterns start before most realize it...... what conditions are you looking for: weather patterns(warming trend ?), photo period lenght, water temp, ect.?

I know for me, the more I fish the less I post..........haven't fished much in the last two months.

was it? I thought we went in circles for 15 minutes then got to the point........or maybe it was me going in circles

in talking with Jeff and seeing the responses here, I have narrowed it down to this: 1. perhaps it depends on how the debate is framed a. big fish b. numbers c. numbers of big fish 2. are we saying when they feed more or easier to catch? 3. is it limited by region on the country.....got to go apples to apples in variables. Dwight has large experience in fishing pre spawn, and I strongly lean in his direction. for A, B, and C. The hardest part in the framing is the timing......... pre spawn begins at 48-52 degrees and on the beds at 58-64 degrees..........but how do we know when post has begun, do we ask each fish we catch and hope they tell the truth? Over a 50,000+ acre lake like Pickwick/TVA chain, or Kissimmee chain, or Great Lakes many of these periods overlap and vary from lake end to lake end, cove to cove. I would like to see opinions on how to frame this and a set of working variables going forward so when the pre spawn ramps up this winter/spring we can track it and have our own study albeit somewhat unscientific. Discuss........

thanks for adding that Jeff as I didnt want to mis represent your stance or thoughts. I think there are many varibles. Road trip best I can remember first day was 59-60 up to 64 during the day. the last day was 62-63 up to 66-67 during the day, and both sets of temps varied from each end of the lake. maybe someone that keeps a good log will chime in another thing I based my thinking on was tournment weights..... much bigger sacks prespawn than post. Again, post being the 2 weeks after not in summertime pattern. but I maybe crazy will a failed memory

well played sir, well played.

flukes video is good, lots of good info there. How I have been teaching myself and I am no expert.......start with a spinning rod to get the motion. when you move to the baitcaster start with a Trigged senko, then move to other baits.

Good to see you over here Trey, welcome!

interesting... Does post spawn mean the same to everybody? When I say post spawn I am talking that 1-2 week "recovery" period you always hear about........not summertime patterns. I look forward to hearing more.

seems to be the perfect boat for a guy that fishes HP restriction lakes (9.9limit) or fishes alone on a budget yet wants to be comfortable/perks of a "big" boat. If I fished small waters, I'd get one.