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Weedless, Brush Jig With Braid. Best Knot?

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I lost my first ever lure on a cast today. Seems my palomar not failed. What is everybody using for knots in braid on jigs?

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Palomar.

What size braid are you using? Sounds like you snapped the line from casting too hard. Braid= 0 shock absorbence.

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All I use is a Palomar, never had it fail that I can remember. I've heard of some of the newer 8 strand braids slipping a little causing people to think the knot broke but really it just came untied. The only braid I've personally even had do this was PP Super 8 Slick, even that's a simple fix though. Just burn the tag end of the line with a lighter so it makes a little hard ball on the end and that can't slip back through the knot. 

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Palomar...

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Funny it was mentioned as I use 30# PowerPro.

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Palomar for most, San Diego jam for larger hard baits. I'll bend the hook before the line or knot fails with 50lb braid

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had the same thing happen today on a red eye shad ( that had just came out of the box) , using 20lb braid, longest cast i have ever made, except my line was not attached lol. pretty sure my knot slipped and came untied.

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Never lost a lure on braid when using palomar due to knot failure.  Make sure it is moistened well and seated nicely and you shouldn't have any issues.  I also use PP super slick and haven't had any issues.  I know some people who use the double palomar as well but it seems like overkill to me since i will straighten hooks before the knot fails on the regular version.

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Palomar 100%! ;)

When tying the Palomar if you let the line "cross" it can slip with braid or cut its self with mono or fluorocarbon.

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All I use is a Palomar, never had it fail that I can remember. I've heard of some of the newer 8 strand braids slipping a little causing people to think the knot broke but really it just came untied. The only braid I've personally even had do this was PP Super 8 Slick, even that's a simple fix though. Just burn the tag end of the line with a lighter so it makes a little hard ball on the end and that can't slip back through the knot. 

 

Exactly what I do! I keep a $1.25 bic in my pocket at all times! If tying on a lure that I know will be on for a while and not fishing around anything that would fray my line, I will also add a drop of super glue to the knot. Swimbaits is a good example. 

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I typically use a Palomar on a jig, but make sure the lines don't cross and make sure the line is nice an moist or you'll burn/weaken the line.

 

Otherwise.....

 

I've switched to almost a completely used San Diego Jam.....it's incredibly strong. I snagged a pond fountain the other day with a jig (guide rope that holds it in place), and moved the fountain 10ft or so to the left, trying to break my line off.....only then did the jig hook bend open.....the knot didn't fail, moved the whole dang fountain before the hook bent. I was using plain ole' 50lb Power Pro - and a SDJ knot.

 

This guy has a really simple video for tying an SDJ....

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kua4mbpwC14&safe=active

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Most of the time it's a Uni knot. Palomar works too.

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16-20, also known as a Duncan or Pitzen Knot

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I use a Palomar knot with braid and the brush jig.  I'm throwing 60lb 832 braid.

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On 4/14/2014 at 7:45 AM, roadwarrior said:

16-20, also known as a Duncan or Pitzen Knot

 

Yep. I agree.....San Diego Jam, Duncan, Pitzen.....they're all the same if I are correct

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VERY similar. I use a slight variation. By wrapping the line up from the eye

I finish through the top loop without going on the ouside of the wraps. Try

this, but make sure you finish going through the top loop in the same direction

as the mainline. For example, if the mainline is on the outside, bring your tag

inside-out so that when you tighten the knot both mainline and tagline are on

the same side of the loop. In effect, this knot is a noose.

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Just to clarify, the San Diego jam knot and pitzen aren't the same.  Very similar, and ***.com explains it better.

 

"Regardless of which name you call it, the Pitzen is an effective method of tying a lure, hook or fly to a fishing line. It is said to retain 95% of the line's breaking strength. It is easier to tie in lighter line or tippets than in heavier line. A derivative of this knot is the San Diego Jam Knot, with the only difference being that the tag end is run through the bottom opening prior to the loop at the top. This step adds another pressure point in the dynamics of the knot, which allows the San Diego Jam Knot to be used in slippery braided line."

 

I started using the SDJ on 20lb powerpro super slick because I was getting slippage on the pitzen and trilene knots that I normally use, also probably because I cut the tag end too short....

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