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I heard that if you tie a knot incorrectly or sloppily with fluro it can result in break-offs. why is this? and what knots work well with fluro? oh and one last thing, why doesn't this happen with mono?

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Yes, this is true a bad tie can break you off, especial with Fluro. I do not know why this is, something to do with the absorbent quality I bet. Try and tie a palomar, wet it and that should work

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San Diego Jam, Its the knot I use with fluorocarbon line...

I'll have to learn that one haha.

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I hate the palomar with anything but braid... I dont see how people use it with Fluorocarbon on a dropshot, it makes the line that comes out underneath the hook really curly for me...

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I've heard if you don't lubricate real well before cinching your knot down you can burn the fluorocarbon and weaken it.  I use a Trilene knot and LOTS of saliva.

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I hate the palomar with anything but braid... I dont see how people use it with Fluorocarbon on a dropshot, it makes the line that comes out underneath the hook really curly for me...

the palomar and inprooved clinch are the knots i use most and they work well for me on braid and mono. but im looking into fluro and want to use the right knot to prevent break-offs. i just looked at the san diego jam, it's like a reverse clinch kinda lol i should be able to do it with no problem with a little practice.

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Fluoro separates the men from the boys when it comes to tying strong knots.  Any crimp or mangled line above the knot on the mainline, and you can assume you failed.  Start over.  When cinching the knot down, be sure you dress it with some saliva, and pull slowly so that your cinching it from the tag end, not the mainline.

 

Knots I use with fluoro:

 

Palomar, Cinch, Improved Cinch, Uni, Arbor, Blood, Triple Surgeon's, Alberto, and Nailless.  They all work well, when tied well.

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Fluoro separates the men from the boys when it comes to tying strong knots.  Any crimp or mangled line above the knot on the mainline, and you can assume you failed.  Start over.  When cinching the knot down, be sure you dress it with some saliva, and pull slowly so that your cinching it from the tag end, not the mainline.

 

Knots I use with fluoro:

 

Palomar, Cinch, Improved Cinch, Uni, Arbor, Blood, Triple Surgeon's, Alberto, and Nailless.  They all work well, when tied well.

nice haha because I'm better at the palomar and improved clinch than anything else. I'll learn some more anyway though.

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Pretty good knots to be good at.  Add the Palomar and the San Diego Jam, and you'll have more down than me for bassin'.

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I hate the palomar with anything but braid... I dont see how people use it with Fluorocarbon on a dropshot, it makes the line that comes out underneath the hook really curly for me...

If it's curly then that means you overheated the line and that's why that happened. Cut and start over. Use more saliva and cinch it down slower.

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If it ain't perfect, it ain't good enough.

 

 

16-20 also know as Pitzen or Duncan Knot

 

 

 

 

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San Diego Jam is very good for fluorocarbon. Once you learn to tie it, it is super quick and easy. I use the weight of my lure to swing it around to get the wraps in.

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I keep my knot selection very simple.

Braid - Palomar

Fluoro - Uni

Mono/Copoly - Palomar

Braid to leader - modified albright or Alberto

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If it's curly then that means you overheated the line and that's why that happened. Cut and start over. Use more saliva and cinch it down slower.

It seems like no matter how slow or how much saliva I use it still gets curly, maybe its the line I was using...

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I use a palomar knot almost 100 % of the time with fluoro with no "mishaps" due to what I would believe to be the knot.  The reason fluoro lacks knot strength is because it is a lot harder than mono and braid.  After you fish for a while the knot digs in and cuts itself.  A double uni knot or san diego jam knot would allow the knot to not clinch in on itself as much but I rarely tie either one.  

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It seems like no matter how slow or how much saliva I use it still gets curly, maybe its the line I was using...

Try sliding it down kinda loose then tighten.
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Simple for me is a Uni Knot for everything except when tying a leader to braid.

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If it's curly then that means you overheated the line and that's why that happened. Cut and start over. Use more saliva and cinch it down slower.

Exactlly right!

The 3rd point of tying a knot correctly when the tag end is wraped around a standing line is to be certain the wraps are parallel to each other before cinching, and not over lapping.

Mike

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I use the San Diego Jam for everything besides Braid, for Braid I use a Palomar

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Fluoro separates the men from the boys when it comes to tying strong knots.  

 

 

  It's threads like these and my small experience with fluoro on spinning reels that make me think fluoro is junk.  I'm amazed how fishermen have been swindled into buying such trashy line.  Mono is tops with me.  Not sure about braid yet.  But fluoro is too stiff with lots of problems.  Have to wet it, have tie perfect knot, have to buy the right fluoro from the right company, have to use line conditioner, etc...   I don't have do any of that with my Sufix Elite mono!  And the way they push fluoro on the fishing shows even makes me more suspicious.  But the great thing about fishing - use what you want.  So go ahead and use it if you want.  I'm sticking with mono.    

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I use the San Diego Jam for everything besides Braid, for Braid I use a Palomar

Ditto

Mike

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I've been using the San Diego jam knot for a few years now. Have never had a problem. No matter what knot you use make sure you check it often if your fishing in the gnarly stuff.

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I use the improved clinch with everything, never had any issues. The key to fluoro is to keep it wet and clinch it slowly. The resin doesn't have the same lubricity as nylon, so it gets too hot from the friction if not done properly. It's not difficult to work with at all, you just have to take the time to do it. I tie my mono knots with the same care. No need to half a$$ just because you can get away with it.

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Fishing lines, both fluoro and braid, have made enormous strides forward in the last few years.  I use mono, but only as a backer.  My knot of choice is the very well wetted Palomar.

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