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I'm hoping to get some advice on my first rod and reel.  I fished when I was a kid, and now that my dad has gotten my daughter hooked, I'm gladly going to start myself.  I'll mostly be fishing in Northern Virginia, lakes and possibly the Potomac and larger rivers.

 

The species I'll be fishing are bluegills, large mouth bass, walleye, black crappie, and possibly muskie.  

 

I'm looking at the Shakespeare Ugly Stik, 7 ft, spinning rod, rated for 6-15 lbs...also, could I use 4# or line rated higher than 15 lbs?

 

For the reel, I'm thinking about the Pflueger Supreme (8230MG).

 

So, would this combo be good for those species?  I'm looking for something that is versitile, durable, and will last me many years of casual fishing, and for less than $150 total package.

 

Thoughts?  Any help is greatly appreciated.

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Welcome to the forum, you are sure to get a lot of replies to your question. 

 

If it were me looking to get back into fishing I believe that I would do it just slightly different.  While the Ugly Stick is a good rod in its own right, it does not excel at bass fishing.  There are many other options available to you that will serve you well and probably fish a little better than the Ugly Stick.  One that I might recommend is to find a Pflueger  President combo, good solid equipment that wont break the bank, can probably find the combo for around 80 dollars.   The 30 size reel would meet most of your needs well and the combo will save you some money for plastics and other essentials.  I think it's great that your Daughter and You are spending time on the water together.  Good Luck

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I use a medium 7'0" Ugly Stik GX2 and a Quantum Fire 30 reel for my "always in the car just in case I want to fish" setup.

 

I like the rod a lot for the money, not a huge fan on the reel, but it works.

 

I run 15lb spiderwire invisibraid on it just fine.

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Get a good 7' med heavy rod for 100$ take your pick there are a lot of options out there. Then get the BPS pro qualifier that goes on sale February. With tax you will be a Lil over 150 but if you trade in a old rod you will be right where you want.

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For the species I'm looking at (I know this is a Bass fishing forum, but I would like to get those Crappies and Walleyes as well as Bass), is there an advantage of medium action (the rod I was looking at) versus medium-heavy?

 

One of the reviews I saw said that there wasn't enough drag, but it seems like 9 lbs should be enough, even for muskie, since using the 1/4 of line test = drag formula, that means 9 lbs of drag would mean I can use 36# line...seems like that would be plenty for what I'd be fishing.

 

And thanks for the replies so far, that was fast!  I'm really looking forward to taking my daughters.  My oldest (2 1/2) loved it so much that she watches fishing shows and cheers them on.  How can you not take that kid fishing?

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Many rods have line and lure ratings printed on them.  Medium and medium heavy are probably the two most versatile powers in bass fishing rods, meaning they will help you properly use many baits and techniques.   Just take a look at the baits you intend to use most and their weights, consider what pound test line you feel is appropriate, then select the power of rod that best matches lure weight and line rating.  Another thing to consider is the cover that you will be fishing, if it is weedy, lots of laydowns, things that will make it a little harder to move fish out of, then you may want to step up in power to also match your environment.

 

Medium / Fast and Medium Heavy / Fast, one or the other will probably meet your needs.

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Honestly, I think you're in the market for more than one rod. A rod that will cater more towards the bluegill, crappie, and walleye fishing will be on the lighter side in the bass world and will definitely limit the techniques you will be able to use effectively. A heavier powered bass rod is going to most likely be a little over powered for those other three yet will be under powered for musky fishing. A straight up musky rod is going to be way over powered for all three other species you're targeting. I would say look for Medium power fast action bass rod and then pick up a cheap 6' or 6'6" Light action rod for the panfish. Spend most of your budget on the medium action bass rod and reel and just pick up a cheaper combo for the panfish.

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A good spinning rod for around $150 would probably be a Abu Garcia vendetta and the Orra S with 10lb braid which is the same diameter as about 2lb mono so it casts a mile. after you get hooked on fishing which you will, you should get a baitcaster. they take a little practice to learn how to adjust your tension knob, centrifugal, thumbing the spool, ect. The key to baitcasters is go big or go home, it is easier to learn on a $100+ reel than a $50 reel because the quality of your bearings and breaking systems and they will last a lot longer if you take care of them.

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The president may be a better option for you than the supreme. Not that the supreme isn't a good reel, but folks seem to really like the president, and that would free up a little money for a nicer rod.

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I agree that you should separate the tier.  You are going to have a hard time using a MH rod for panfish.  Especially if you're going to try and throw a 1/32 jig with a tiny tube.  This is what I'd suggest get two rods.  Look at the Crappie Maxx combos from BPS. They are on sale right now for 24.97 - 29.97.  Then get a Pflueger President Combo from BPS for 69.98 MH/F your choice 6'6" or 7'. 

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Casual fishing?  Pfleuger President (25 or 30) spooled up with your choice of line.  Right now I just have BPS Excel Mono 6lb.  Mounted on a  Shimano Sellus 6ft Travel rod.  Good balance....light enough to throw all day.  I got this set up to for Crappie, Bluegill and Finesse stuff.  I also take it when I'm just going to the local park pond for an hour or so after work.  Right at $100 bucks with none of it on sale.  It's gets done what I need it to and it's very portable.

 

 

ps...I would NOT want to tie into a Muskie on this set up.

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That combo is well within your realm for price, are you planning on throwing artifical baits or just live/dough?

What's your goal?

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I'd like to be able to use live bait or lures. My goal is to get outdoors, involve the family in a way I really can't yet with hunting, and put some food on the table along the way. I really enjoy making a dinner with meat I've caught and vegetables I've grown.

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Sounds like any low cost spinning rod and reel will get panfish outta the lake and into the frying pan, it will do the duty.. Involving the family and great joy as well as great tasting fish! ( Panfish )

It need not be expensive, of course you can spend as much as you like, lol...

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6' 6" Medium Spinning rod (don't get an ugly stick) and a president with 15 pound braid and various leaders would do the trick.

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It he's going after muskie, not sure a Medium Fast stick would be sufficient. 

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It he's going after muskie, not sure a Medium Fast stick would be sufficient.

pretty sure anything heavier isn't going to be good for panfish.

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pretty sure anything heavier isn't going to be good for panfish.

If you read my earlier post you would see I agree and that he needs two rods.  If he removes Musky he can get away with a medium/fast rod.

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Sounds like you are trying to tackle a lot of species with one set up.  Not sure one set up is going to do it.   If it were me and you like Pflueger, the president would be a fine reel which would give you a couple of extra bucks to invest in a better rod.

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Thanks for the advice folks, I really appreciate it.

I'm starting to see the light on not being able to catch everything with one rig. I talked to a local angler, and I think I'll leave the muskies be for now. They're big here, but apparently pretty tough to catch.

So with muskies out, for now, it looks like the crappies and bluegills are the issue, since a medium 7' rod might be too much, but it will be good for bass and walleye. Am I right so far?

Also, it seems like the Ugly Stik doesn't have a lot of fans here, but I saw that it got good reviews. What are the cons?

Again, thanks everyone, this is great stuff, I already feel less overwhelmed. Hunting is way less complicated, haha!

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The small fish can save you money. Nothing heavy is needed 4# test braided line & a Ultra light spinning rod & reel. I just bought 3  Mitchell ultra light spinning reels on sale  & a light weight rod for everything up to 1 pound perch & all your smaller fish.

 

Save again & buy the Medium heavy rod & reel for bigger fish, Lines & lures.

 

Worst case ? a muskie / pike grabs a small fish & you have a hell of a battle for a change.  Now we are fishing 30" to 48" fish on 4 # test ??   WAAAHOO.

 

I now use the 4# test ultra lights for ANYTHING. Usually land them from a boat. Shore casting is a Double WAAHOO.  :)

4# braded is usually about a ACTUAL 8# breaking strength with my improved Trilene Knot.  It CUTS weeds easily.  Reeds no way

 

I use a 4# test setup & a 60# setup for going after bigger fish.      Start small. Then decide how much bigger you will need.

 

Some of us like screaming drags & chasing a fish from land or starting the engine alone  & still keeping a tight line in the boat.

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I forgot.

 

Lures & equipment catch fisherman.

 

Skill catches fish.

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Ugly stiks are not good for bass fishing get abu garcia vendetta or vengance they are sweet! For the price and get a shimano Sedona or sahara reel.

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I forgot.

Lures & equipment catch fisherman.

Skill catches fish.

How do you catch fish without equipment? You also state you are fishing at times out of a boat.

How about bait? What skill? How do you catch largemouth & smallmouth?

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I am not a fan of ugly stik. The gx2 is too heavy. get a ugly stik elite if you really like ugly stik. it is much lighter and has a cork handle.

 

i prefer a medium light spinning rod rated for 4 to 10 lb test line paired with a shimano 1000 reel for crappie, walleye and open water bass. I haven't encounter a big walleye or a big bass that my medium light rod cannot handle. 

 

shop around for your pflueger supreme mgx. I got one for $40 when it was on sale at cabelas.com last year. Every time I bought a non-shimano I regretted later. if you cannot get this kind of deal then get a shimano according to your budget. just make sure you pick up a smooth one with zero handle or gear play. I usually have to go through a few reels to find one that I really like. 

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