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Best line for a novice Bait-caster user.

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I order my first baitcaster set up, got a Tatula 6' 10" MH/F paired with a Diawa Tatula CT. Now I just need a recommendation for what line to put on this set up. I will be using this rod for Texas rigs, spinnerbaits, and jigs. Was pondering on using 30# power pro braid, but I have read it's prone to more backlash and bird nest. Might go with Mono, but idk.. 

 

What at do you guys recommend?

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Something cheap and thick like 20lb trilene big game. You will probably have to re spool it once or twice so go cheap and a larger diamiter line doesn't birds nest as badly 

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I have had less issues with braid than mono. 30lb or more is not going to dig in easy and the line is heavy enough its easy for me to pick out a nest easily. Cheap line is a good idea because you will go through some. I know some say just the opposite but I think part of it is just what someone learned with and is comfortable using.

Being this is your first bait caster I would get a heavy plug to practice with, heavier lures tend to be better for me when I was learning.  Also do not be afraid to apply all the brakes starting out they are your training wheels. Yeah I see these videos where they are talking 1 or 2 brakes and this that etc but you can always back off slowly as you figure it out. You start to few brakes and your getting frustrated fast picking out backlashes.  Last tip no matter how bad you want to cast far don't try for long distance starting out. Learn to cast and cast accurately then start backing off the brakes and you will see the distance pick up slowly over time.

I hear that is a nice reel too. :thumbsup_blue: And a 6'10" rod length should help with accuracy. I know for me a Medium rod seems to be more forgiving on casting starting out but I learned on a MH/F as well but a 7' length. 

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Definitely wouldn't recommend 20# Big Game for a beginner.  Too much memory.  I must admit I've never used 20# Big Game, but I do have 1/4 pound spools of 8# and 12# Big Game, and have each spooled on several reels.  12# Sufix Elite or Trilene XL would be my first choice.  I prefer a mono or co-polymer to braid, but that is a personal preference.  I do use braid on a couple (4?) reels.

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I find braid to be quite user-friendly because it casts to we'll and back lashes pick out easily.  I've never had to cut out a back lash with braid.  Fluoro is a different story and if you're new then stay away from it.  I've actually never used mono, but I've heard it is a good choice.  Mono is cheap so it might be a good option, but I just prefer the sensitivity I get from braid.

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8 hours ago, S. Sass said:

I have had less issues with braid than mono. 30lb or more is not going to dig in easy and the line is heavy enough its easy for me to pick out a nest easily. Cheap line is a good idea because you will go through some. I know some say just the opposite but I think part of it is just what someone learned with and is comfortable using.

Being this is your first bait caster I would get a heavy plug to practice with, heavier lures tend to be better for me when I was learning.  Also do not be afraid to apply all the brakes starting out they are your training wheels. Yeah I see these videos where they are talking 1 or 2 brakes and this that etc but you can always back off slowly as you figure it out. You start to few brakes and your getting frustrated fast picking out backlashes.  Last tip no matter how bad you want to cast far don't try for long distance starting out. Learn to cast and cast accurately then start backing off the brakes and you will see the distance pick up slowly over time.

I hear that is a nice reel too. :thumbsup_blue: And a 6'10" rod length should help with accuracy. I know for me a Medium rod seems to be more forgiving on casting starting out but I learned on a MH/F as well but a 7' length. 

Agree with all of this.  Might even increase it to 40 braid.  Will be good for your applications, will be relatively easy to work with.

Long bombing casts are your enemy....smooth casting is your friend...smooth backswing, smooth follow through....work on smooth and you'll be good.  Very nice 'starter rig'

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42 minutes ago, Yudo1 said:

I find braid to be quite user-friendly because it casts to we'll and back lashes pick out easily.  

Agree 100%.  I would bump up to 50 lb braid because it will be even easier to sort out backlashes with the larger diameter.  When you get a backlash, mono and especially fluoro will kink and weaken significantly, braid does not.  As long as you avoid a true hopeless birdsnest, braid will last a very long time and be cheaper in the long run.

When you do get a backlash with braid, clamp your thumb on the spool and turn the handle a couple times.  Most times you can just pull the backlash straight out after that.

(I heard this all from a friend; I never get backlashes ;) )

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I recommend braid for learning,  when you backlash mono or floro you end up cutting it out.  Braid you can work the knot out almost every time.   I would recommend 50-65 pound braid for learning.  It will not dig much and will knot less.

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12-15 Lb mono. It's cheap and you won't worry about having to change it if you get a serious backlash. I would echo using a lure weighing 1/2 ounce to start. Maybe a jig head and trailer or start with a practice plug. Don't worry you can try all kinds of expensive Japanese fluorocarbon or braid later. 

Don't try to bomb it. Finesse is what it's about. For me bait casting is all about precision, using my thumb to control exactly were I want the lure to land (hopefully softly.)

Good Luck! Welcome to a whole new world of fishing fun. 

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20LB big game has breaking strength of 30 lb line. Are you guys really suggesting this for a MH rod? LOL

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1 minute ago, IAY said:

20LB big game has breaking strength of 30 lb line. Are you guys really suggesting this for a MH rod? LOL

At this point in er34323 game catching fish or having the perfect setup to fish is not even in the discussion. See his/her words below...

11 hours ago, er34323 said:

first baitcaster set up

 In my opinion all he/she needs is setup to LEARN how to use the equipment. Make it function and cast for learning for him/her in a manner he/she will not get frustrated and give up. Hence the reason for a bigger line to that it is easier / quicker to fix the nests he/she will get. Cant even consider fishing if you cant cast the lure without a backlash. 

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I learned with 4 250 yds spools of 10 lb Stren, should have purchased 1 bigger spool but there weren´t any available then.

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55 minutes ago, S. Sass said:

At this point in er34323 game catching fish or having the perfect setup to fish is not even in the discussion. See his/her words below...

 In my opinion all he/she needs is setup to LEARN how to use the equipment. Make it function and cast for learning for him/her in a manner he/she will not get frustrated and give up. Hence the reason for a bigger line to that it is easier / quicker to fix the nests he/she will get. Cant even consider fishing if you cant cast the lure without a backlash. 

How the OP will cast a 1/4 oz lure with 30 lb nylon is beyond me, especially knowing how wiry the line is. Try 12 lb Trilene XL or Sufix Elite, something decently thick and easy handling to learn how to cast.

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2 minutes ago, IAY said:

How the OP will cast a 1/4 oz lure with 30 lb nylon is beyond me, especially knowing how wiry the line is. Try 12 lb Trilene XL or Sufix Elite, something decently thick and easy handling to learn how to cast.

In my original suggestion I said "heavy plug to practice with, heavier lures tend to be better for me when I was learning" and even another member said

1 hour ago, Crankin4Bass said:

I would echo using a lure weighing 1/2 ounce to start. Maybe a jig head and trailer or start with a practice plug.

So I dont know where a 1/4 oz lure came into the learning how to cast for the first time. I definitely do not find braid to be "wiry" at all. Im not saying Mono wont work but I would stay within a 12 to 17 lb range roughly as to small diggs in and is harder to see to pick out and to large diameter line does become more like Floro and becomes wiry and kinks. 

And as I stated before

1 hour ago, S. Sass said:

setup to LEARN how to use the equipment.

 Never once would I suggest a first time baitcast user to tie on a 1/4 oz anything much less a lure. The lighter the lure the smaller the margin for error seems to be. I think you aren't considering this person is in no way ready to fish, they haven't a clue if they will ever be able to cast. 

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12lb mono would be my suggestion.  either trilene XL, big game, suffix siege, any of those will work to learn on.  i have that exact same rod and LOVE IT!

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12lb Trilene and Sufix are .330mm line which have around 16lb breaking strength, which is more than enough for 1/2 oz things. I assume the OP wants to actually use his set up... I throw 6-7 oz Swimbaits, and I don't even use .450 mm line for those. LOL

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.33mm line is a good start. Maybe even .35mm since that CT has a decent spool capacity. Sufix Siege is my choice but Big Game is fine. Stren Original is also fine. Braid is excellent and should be considered when you become proficient with a casting reel. It is very easy to ruin a spool of fresh braid. Not the easiest to learn how to pick out a backlash either. You will backlash. Everyone backlashes.

Also holy crap you get a lot of 10 lb Big Game for $9.

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15# Berkley Big Game. Cheap and disposable. Tie on something that weighs 3/8-3/4 oz and go into a field and start casting it. I used a heavy hardware nut from my dad's shop when I was learning. I already had a good idea how to use it before I even went fishing.

Take the big spool of line with you in the boat in case (when) you need it. You can strip off line down beyond a cast length and tie onto that and refill. 

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A lot of good advice.. I think I'm going to try the Sufix Siege 12# mono first until I get use to the baitcaster reel. Then I'll switch to braid. 

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Berkley Trilene XL 12lb. Nothing will even be close for user friendliness. 

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Here's a link to some practice plugs.

http://www.basspro.com/Bass-Pro-Shops-Practice-Plug/product/13377/

I've given these plugs to some of my friends kids and told them to put a hula hoop in the back yard and try to cast to that. Then to work their way up to landing it in a bucket. Mom's love it cause there are no hooks.

Have fun and enjoy your new setup!

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I Just set up a friend with a new baitcaster to get him started...BPS mega cast since it has dual brakes and it is inexpensive in case you don't like it, plus it is a good reel for the money. I was surprised how nice it is.....

I told him to put 12lb Trilene XL on but he went with 12lb BPS Mono...Stick with Nylon Mono, XT is a bit stiffer than XL because it is more abrasion resistant, but I find Trilene, Suffix, and Stren Original to cast like a bullet in 12lb test which is easiest size to handle and can do it all imo...Then you can move onto braids once you are comfortable, he was casting like a champ within 10 minutes and now can't put it down...He is already using braid #40 and is realizing it is much more difficult to use due to digging and he he is wanting to go back to mono, so I am telling him to simply grab some BIg Game in #15 which is easy to cast and strong....

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Here is the key for casting reels and ease.

Lots of good answers and nobody can be wrong since line is all preference but I am in the Berkley XL (Extra Limp so it is soft and easy to manage) Suffix (read the back, one is like XT one is like Xl, in reality not all that much difference but XT will be better around brush.)

I would start with 12-15lb test, lines today that say #15 break over 20lbs for most part, the diameter is usually thicker, plus you should not break off fish on #15 big game even in heavy cover. 

When it comes to braid, I know some people use 20lb test and I have no clue how they do it..I find the diameter has to be at least 10lb test since casting reels are designed for 10lb test and heavier line....Thin Braid digs in like wire, takes work, I find 8 strand braids to be much smoother than a 4 strand so lines like PP Plus, Suffix 832 will not dig in as much. Fins makes a braid called Wind Tamer that is the best I have ever used for casting reels since it is not coated (Do not use superlines, coated braids are for spinning reels, they will not cast well on casting gear from my experiences.) 

Berkley makes a line that is only $5 a spool called Solutions. One for spinning one for casting...It is thick, so 12 is the way to go imo.....But big game in the 600 yard spool in #15 is what I have on one of my Daiwa Reels right now and I could use big game on every rod and be good....Except for frogs and Punching. 20lb test is for close combat only imo, or leader.....Just my take, standard size reels do not handle big lines well, 50lb braid is 12lb diameter and most user friendly imo, Some companies make 30lb with 10lb diameter so check that out...Tuf Line is the best braid for all according to tests, Tuf line Xt made in America, 300 yards is only $20 and is a 4 strand Spectra soft weave that I would take over Power Pro any day of the year and Western Filament is made in America. 

Braid-Tuf Line XP 50lb test is awesome, then use leader to match conditions...price, abrasion resistance, not wound to tight, and you need to put cheap mono as backing to save money, only put say 100 yards of braid on the reel as you can get 300 yds for $20. When it starts giving you issues, Flip it over and you have new line...

If you go to a tackle shop, Let them spool it for you, it goes on and off much better, make sure braid is put on TIGHT...Hope that helps..

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