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I just bought a new Daiwa Exceler 4000H spinning reel. I am having trouble finding out the correct mono line capacity for it. On the box it says 16lb. (0.33mm), 20lb. (0.37mm) and 25lb. (0.40mm). The pound test and the line diameter's don't seem to be matching up (i.e.-the 0.40mm looks to be closer to 17lb test than the 25lb. labeled on the box). I then read that the Japanese use a different way of measuring their line than the USA does...is this true? I'm trying to spool the reel with the heaviest mono (Big Game) that I can so I can throw the heavier top water baits like the Whopper Plopper 130. Any help would be appreciated!!!

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Get a spool of 300 yards of 10lb test mono and spool that bad boy up. 

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Nah, I got this big reel because i wanted a much larger size than 10lb. test...I'm thinking more 15 - 17lb. test but want to make sure i understand the reels capacity first.

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It's not going to matter how much 15-17lb mono you can get on there. That heavy of mono on a spinning reel is going to be a nightmare. 

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Big game is going to be way to stiff and have too much memory for sure. Sunline supernatural us pretty limp. I've used 12 on a spinning reel (3000 size) and it handled ok. I have a buddy that uses 14 lb original stren on a 4000 Shimano sahara and it works for him. I don't know about much higher though, maybe 17 would work for you. If you want a very strong line though u may be better off going with 40 lb braid or so on a spinning reel because of memory and line twist issues

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Well they must label the mono capacity that high on this reel for a reason right? I mean they wouldn't label it that way if the reel was never intended to handle it efficiently. What would be the mono with the lowest memory to put on there in a 15lb. test?

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Sunline Defier Armilio is probably the smoothest mono I've fished. You might be able to get away with 15lb in that. Personally, I'd go with braid without question in that situation. 

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10 hours ago, Brett's_daddy said:

I just bought a new Daiwa Exceler 4000H spinning reel. I am having trouble finding out the correct mono line capacity for it. On the box it says 16lb. (0.33mm), 20lb. (0.37mm) and 25lb. (0.40mm). The pound test and the line diameter's don't seem to be matching up (i.e.-the 0.40mm looks to be closer to 17lb test than the 25lb. labeled on the box). I then read that the Japanese use a different way of measuring their line than the USA does...is this true? I'm trying to spool the reel with the heaviest mono (Big Game) that I can so I can throw the heavier top water baits like the Whopper Plopper 130. Any help would be appreciated!!!

Almost any specs you could want on a reel are usually listed by the manufacturer on their website. This reel is no different. It showed me anything I could want to know in about 5 seconds. Google can be a great tool when utilized. Give it a try sometime. It might surprise you with all its knowledge. 

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11 minutes ago, rippin-lips said:

Almost any specs you could want on a reel are usually listed by the manufacturer on their website. This reel is no different. It showed me anything I could want to know in about 5 seconds. Google can be a great tool when utilized. You should try it sometime. 

Gee, never thought of that...lol. Seriously, Google was the first place i went but like i said...just trying to make sure that Japanese way of figuring out their lbs. test line is the same as the American way of figuring that out or if it's different (as some articles i read said they use a different process) as the diameter of the line and the lbs. test don't seem to jive, how can I accurately figure out the American conversion? The specs I've been finding are as follows:  MONO: 10/300, 12/260, 14/210, the problem is on the reel itself it clearly states 16, 20 and 25lb. which is what's confusing me.

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1 hour ago, Brett's_daddy said:

Gee, never thought of that...lol. Seriously, Google was the first place i went but like i said...just trying to make sure that Japanese way of figuring out their lbs. test line is the same as the American way of figuring that out or if it's different (as some articles i read said they use a different process) as the diameter of the line and the lbs. test don't seem to jive, how can I accurately figure out the American conversion? The specs I've been finding are as follows:  MONO: 10/300, 12/260, 14/210, the problem is on the reel itself it clearly states 16, 20 and 25lb. which is what's confusing me.

You have the right idea - simply go by the diameter they list in mm converted to inches, not by the pound test rating. There is no standardized rating of pound test for lines, but diameter is a quantified unit that is standardized or comparable. Plus, you basically don't know if they are referring to fluorocarbon or mono/nylon, which are rated differently here in the U.S. As you mentioned, their 25# .40 mm diameter line is approx. equivalent to our 17# rated monofilaments, but that isn't their actual breaking strength (which will be much higher, especially nylons or copolys which will push you in the low 20# breaking strength). Most 20# nylon/copoly lines will range between .41-.46 mm, but have actual breaking strengths much closer to 22# - 30#.

.33mm = .013" (about 12# test); .37mm = .0146" (about 15# test); .40mm = .0157" (about 16/17# test)

-T9

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Just fill the thing up to where you feel is enough line, I usually fill to 1/8 of an inch from the lip of the spool I would say. As long as your reel holds that thick of line you will be fine!

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Stop overthinking it. Match up line diameters the best you can, and go fish. 

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Would a co-polymer be better than mono for top water?

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1 hour ago, Brett's_daddy said:

Would a co-polymer be better than mono for top water?

I would suggest either mono or braid for topwater, floating lines tend to keep the nose of the bait from tilting down.  I use straight braid for most topwaters that are moved almost constantly, including the whopper plopper. The only time I use a leader on topwater is when using spooks or pop-r's, and that's only because braid is so limp it tends to get tangled in the treble hooks.

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I've decided to try some Sufix Superior mono line in the 15lb. test. It says the diameter is 0.016 and my reels largest capacity is a 40mm line so that's right at or slightly over the max so I'll just have DSG spool a little less than the listed 210 yards of 40mm line listed on the reel and hope for the best :).

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I have no idea why you would want that series for freshwater fishing. There is NOTHING about a 4000 series that is interesting unless you are fishing for yellowfin tuna.

:stupid:

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8 minutes ago, roadwarrior said:

I have no idea why you would want that series for freshwater fishing. There is NOTHING about a 4000 series that is interesting unless you are fishing for yellowfin tuna.

:stupid:

I wanted a reel with a big enough line capacity that could handle a higher pound test for heavier topwater lures like the Whopper Plopper 130 and swim baits such as the Savage Gear 6" 3D line thru trout.

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A 200/300 size casting reel would be better suited for the job. Those baits aren't too heavy so you could even get by with a heavy flippin stick, though it's still not the best choice for the job. 

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I'm using my Fenwick HMG 7ft. Medium Heavy spinning rod for these baits. The WP 130 weighs 1.38oz. and the Savage Gear 3d 6" trout weighs 1.25oz., my rod is rated up to 1oz.

I currently have  Pflueger President LE size 30 reel with 15lb Power Pro braid on it. According to the mono capacity it takes up to 8lb test so I could conceivably put on 30lb Power Pro braid but not sure if that would be big enough for those baits or function as well as mono for top water.

If the Daiwa reel is really unnecessary it can be returned to DSG as I still have the receipt and the box with all the paperwork and the reel hasn't been used yet but I'd like to make sure it absolutely isn't necessary before returning it.

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Soooo, should I keep this Daiwa reel or return it and use the Pflueger President and 30lb braid?

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Keep the Exceler - spool with 50# braid and use 20# Big Game as a leader.

-T9 

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I actually have a President 40 series reel and use it on one of my bass rods.I  prefer it.It balances fine and holds enough line so keep it.  I would spool it up with the Suffix mono. if in the future you find yourself wanting to try some 30 pound braid and a stiff mono leader then unspool 1/2 of the Suffix mono, wind on 1/2 spool of braid and install your leader. At least the Suffix will not be wasted. Keep the remaining 1/2 a spool removed for backing on another reel.  I used a partial spool of Suffix Elite for backing on several reels till it ran out. Lays on reel smooth. 

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I think you're going to find the 4000 uncomfortable to throw for long periods of time given the reel weight.

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