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I had a bad experience with "won't name brand" 10lb FC on a 4000 reel size spinning setup.

 

I have a Tatula ct Type R/St. Croix premier with 10lb Trilene XL and caught my PB last weekend. I'm very happy with it's castibilty.

 

This setup is mainly just for 1/4 T Rigs. Should I give FC another shot? 

 

I just found this and I'm wondering  what some Veteran FC users opinion on this article.

 

http://www.bigindianabass.com/big_indiana_bass/the-truth-about-fluorocarbon.html

 

 

 

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Considering I wrote it, I think rather highly of it ? Tried to be as objective as possible. Has been referenced by numerous similar articles written later. Personally, I use fluoro on 90% of my baitcasters, but If XL works for you, don't change. Congrats on the PB by the way!

 

-T9

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LOL wow! Small world!

 

14 minutes ago, Team9nine said:

Considering I wrote it, I think rather highly of it ? Tried to be as objective as possible. Has been referenced by numerous similar articles written later. Personally, I use fluoro on 90% of my baitcasters, but If XL works for you, don't change. Congrats on the PB by the way!

 

-T9

I'm just wondering if there will be more sensitivity when a bass sucks up a t-rig on FC

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I agree with Team9nine, if you like XL and don't have a problem.  Continue to use it!  You don't need to follow what everyone else does.

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17 minutes ago, TX-Deluxe said:

LOL wow! Small world!

 

I'm just wondering if there will be more sensitivity when a bass sucks up a t-rig on FC

 

Yes, there will, but you also have to be willing to live with the trade-offs (generally stiffer lines, poorer knot strength, etc.). Many new FC formulations coming on the market to address the "issues" now days.

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Flouro and me do not play well together. I am getting old, I don't think we are ever going to get along.

 

Have you ever tried Trilene XT? I much prefer the strength of XT over XL. The only time I use XL would be for something very light on a spinning reel.

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When I fished saltwater (Atlantic Ocean), I fished with Big Game Mono, Braided Nylon,

Braided Dacron, Monel & Lead-Core line. But in freshwater lakes and streams,

I fished exclusively with Berkley Trilene XL from about 1950 to year 2005.

In 2005 I switched from nylon monofilament to braided polyethylene, where I remain today.

Without a doubt, nylon monofilament is a great line material (and its many copolymers).

My major gripe with mono is its "insane stretch" and its tendency to "bird nest" with spinning gear.

Braid of course, solved both issues.

 

As for fluorocarbon, it's tendency to self-cleave results in unstable knot-strength,

something I can't condone. In addition, fluorocarbon is as wiry as some of the tieable steel leader

I use for toothy critters. Furthermore, the last time I tried Tatsu fluoro, I found myself

taking a step backward during the hook-set, to compensate for line-stretch (braid spoiled me).

There's a long list of advantages to using a line with 'thin diameter', and fluorocarbon's

FAT diameter is several negatives rolled into one. When fluorocarbon is taken out of the equation,

it's no longer necessary to spit on your knots or wipe line-conditioner on your fishing line.

 

All that said, different anglers prefer different lures and different hooks,

so it stands to reason why we'd also prefer different line materials. :)

 

Roger

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If its not broken don't try and fix it.  The handling alone is not worth the change if its not limiting your catch rate.  Knot strength and having to use special knots is a PTIA.  You may want to try a co-polymer if your in the mood to try something new, but FC is only worth while if you need what it can provide to include its drawbacks.  I am a huge fan of YHB and going back to it now that I am not fishing gin clear water.

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Sensitivity is the biggest upgrades from any mono to FC. FC for bottom baits i think is a must in scenarios you wouldnt use braid. Personally i use FC on 24 of my 30 casting combos. The only time i use mono is for topwater, and only for whopper ploppers and prop baits at that. Any bottom contact bait and any moving bait you get more sensitivity/feel when using them. Moving bait wise it really helps in being able to feel what the bait is doing, or more importantly what it isnt doing. Being able to feel if a crank or chatterbait for instance has some weeds on it will make the difference in a wasted cast or something you can rip and create that erratic action needed to get a bite. Bottom contact wise, it just makes a huge difference feeling everything. You can tell much easier what you are dragging across, if you are hitting something hard like rock vs something that gives like wood, etc. I would say try a spool of Seaguar Red Label, you can get a 200yd spool for around $13, put it on one of your bottom contact combos, and use it side by side with another combo using the same bait to see if the difference is worth it to you. 

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Why not YoZuri hybrid ? 8 lbs would be my choice, more user friendly than 10 lb and ridiculousy strong, better sensitivity than plain nylon.

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You won't catch me trying to talk you into using it.  I prefer mono or co-polymers.  There are quite a few goods ones....Big Game, XT, Yo-Zuri, CXX, Platinum, AN40, McCoy, XXX, etc., etc.

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Congratulations on your PB.

When Trilene entered the primium monofilament line business their competition was DuPont Original Stren back in the '60's. Trilene came out 2 mono lines; XL for extra limp and XT for extra tough. Trilene XL targeted the spinning reel market, XT was promoted for baitcasting reels. Stren has lost market share, Trilene gained market share with XL and XT.

Do you know what the difference is? XL is a smaller diameter line, 1 lb test smaller than XT and over the years I can't determine any other difference....same line.

Back to your question, FC line has a higher memory per diameter then Nylon mono like XL and doesn't absorb water like mono does. Dry line doesn't lay onto the reel spool like a wet line does and impacts line management or casting issues. FC requires a wetting agent like KVD or Tangle Free line lubricants to allow water to wet the line and lay onto the spool.

FC line is heavier and tends to sink in water, mono is lighter and tends to float. FC has a lower coeffient of drag going through water, creates less bow in the line than mono. Bass are not line shy fish so the lower refraction of light is meaningless. The big hurdle with FC line is cost and lower knot strength than mono. FC does give you slightly better feel or contact with bottom contact lures like jigs and soft plastics, the down side is knot strength.

Only you can determine what is best for your type of fishing.

Tom

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Palomar good on FC?

 

I'm thinking fisherman are tinkerers(is that even a word) by nature .

 

I chose XL thinking less memory even on a casting setup.

 

Really good opinions Gentlemen 

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There are only a few knots that have good knot strength with flouro.  The SD jam seems to be a favorite.  I snell when ever possible

 

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6 hours ago, TX-Deluxe said:

Palomar good on FC?

 

 

When you're tying to the eyelet of a plug with 3 treble hooks,

you may not be too thrilled with a Palomar knot.


Roger

 

 

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9 minutes ago, TX-Deluxe said:

Palomar good on FC?

 

I'm thinking fisherman are tinkerers(is that even a word) by nature .

 

I chose XL thinking less memory even on a casting setup.

 

Really good opinions Gentlemen 

 

Yes, the Palomar is a good knot to use with FC if tied correctly. The biggest thing is to make sure you don't cross the line over itself and also to make sure you wet the line. Here is a good video that discusses this...

 

 

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I use the Palomar knot on both FC and mono for single hook applications where only the hook goes through the loop. For all other applications I prefer the San Diego jam knot for FC becuase it's a easy knot to tie correctly on larger size lures and jigs. Knot strength is a problem with FC, tie your knots carefully and always wet the line before clinching it tight to prevent line damage.

Tom

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If what you're using now works and gives you confidence, stick with it.

 

I like Fluoro and don't have many issues with it.  I use a palomar knot almost exclusively and don't have issues with it.  6lb for spinning gear.  10lb for weightless plastics. 12lb for moving spinners and swim jigs, an minimum 15lb for any weighted jigs that are fished off the bottom.  

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I wrote off FC after the initial run came out and anyone who tried those first ones knows why - they were bad. 

 My Spinning gear applications are all Braid (and leader) No Exceptions -  Any & All Nylon there is just a PIA.

Revolving spool tackle is a mix of braid, mono & I've tried a few coploy products; as copoly stocks were exhausted, I chose not to resupply. 

As the most recent FC products had reportedly improved, and despite swearing it off, I gave FC another shot (last season). 

I found that I liked it for sub-surface moving baits presented on a moderate or moderate fast stick; mostly treble hook baits, spinnerbaits & vibrating jigs. 

As long as I am willing to condition the line as needed, re-tie often and of course pay the piper, FC had become a viable tool for me. 

That said, FC presents less than 50% of my baits and Braid & Mono share the majority of the work load. 

Finally, whenever I am fishing in a place that is known for super large / fish of a life time Trophy Bass, I use Mono.

I just make shorter casts.

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A-Jay

 

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I tryed FC once and didn't care for it due to knots not holding and or breaking, this was last summer.

 

I use mono, Trilene xl and xt and can't find any diffrence between the two. Smallest I use is 12# but like the 14# the best.

 

I use it on all baits except my frogs, frogs get PP braid.

 

Bottom line if it work for you (ohh and nice catch sir) and you feel confident with it don't change it.

 

Hope this helps you sir.

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here is my opinion and personal experience on the matter..... I grew up fishing mono. used trilene xl a lot. I have settled on trilene big game as my favorite mono. years ago when flouro first came out I tried it. used the same knots I used with mono and treated it the same. I had a bad experience and went back to the trusty mono. over the next 4 years or so, I started putting pieces of the flouro puzzle together, learning what knots I should be tying and what techniques to use it with. I slowly started replacing some techniques with flouro. the first was cranking. I got used to it and couldn't imagine fishing mono. it was more sensitive and I could get a little deeper with my baits. the next was shakey heads and finesse baits. now I am at the point where the only thing I use mono for is texas rigs, Carolina rigs and topwater. I knew there were benefits to flouro with some of my techniques and I wanted to exploit them it just took me a while to realize that I could not tie the same knots or leave it on the reel for a long period of time before I had to change it.

 

my point here is, you may have had a bad experience with flouro and im in the same boat as you. I had about 20 bad experiences with it before I figured out how to use it. however, if you are confident with the mono and that is what you like, stick with it. I know for me, I could hardly catch a fish on flouro in the beginning because I didn't have any confidence in it. once the confidencd started increasing so did the fish catches. if your confidence is with mono, you will probably catch more with it anyway.

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FC is my "all around" line. Only use mono for topwater since I tried sniper FC. Braid for frogs and jigs in heavy cover.

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It sinks is reason enough for me! I don't have 20+/- some odd yards laying on the surface I have to reel in to get line taught enough to set the hook. 

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1 hour ago, dam0007 said:

It sinks is reason enough for me! I don't have 20+/- some odd yards laying on the surface I have to reel in to get line taught enough to set the hook. 

Solid point.

I'm probably going to spend this entire season with T-Rigs on my casting setup.

 

I don't want to lose much distance with something over 12lb.

 

Recommendations for. Daiwa Tatula CT Type R?

 

I'm going to give it another go with FC

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I use Flouro on every combo I have except for punching / frogs (braid) and cranks / spinnerbait  (Yo Zuri) and do not have the problems with it that some of you guys keep posting about, here and in a dozen other threads. I just don't get it. 

 

After trying 3 other brands I've settled on Sunline. 

Sniper for 14# and down with a single SDJ knot.

Shooter 16# and up tied with a double. 

 

I've rarely had a problem with a knot not holding and it's supple enough for me right off the spool, but I do use Line & Lure especially when I want to bomb a cast with it. 

 

If I'm not carefull picking out a backlash, yes it will kink but the advantages of useing it far outweighs all the negatives.

 

Don't use mono anymore for anything, just don't see the need for it. 

 

 

 

 

Mike

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