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I've recently stumbled upon the phantom tube jig hook and think it would be great for flipping tubes in my area. I plan to use the bigger 4 to 4.5 in tubes flipping for largemouth. I like this rig for its weedlessness and natural look. Anyone using these?

 

I wish the hooks came in heavier weights but the heaviest I've seen is 3/16 ounce. So I plan to make some myself. I'm not exactly sure how big a weight I can actually fit into the hollow body though. I would like to get it to 3/8 oz but 1/4 would probably work fine. Anyone else ever done this or have any idea how big a weight a tube will hold?  Weights will be crimp on hook weights so about as wide as the widest part of a bullet weight in the same size

 

One pic of hook and one of the hook weights I plan to use

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I have never used them but a buddy does. He swears by them, unsure if he is flipping them or not. They really don’t work for the way I like to fish a tube. Sounds like solid plan that you have though good luck!

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Never mind about them, instead make yourself some nice jigheads with oversize hooks ( 4/0 ) and stupid rig the tubes.

 

 

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The "stupid rig"  is definitely easier but I don't like the line tie being so off from the front which will make it coming through thick wood cover harder. Maybe I'm picking but I also like to tinker so that's part of this whole thing

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I make my own kind of rig with a bass casting sinker with the brass eye. Push the eye up to the top of the tube and when you T-rig the tube, pass the hook through the eye so the weight stays to the top of the tube. Bam, poor man's phantom weight tube rig. 

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5 hours ago, Bluebasser86 said:

I make my own kind of rig with a bass casting sinker with the brass eye. Push the eye up to the top of the tube and when you T-rig the tube, pass the hook through the eye so the weight stays to the top of the tube. Bam, poor man's phantom weight tube rig. 

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 Nice Blue - I LIKE IT ~ ! 

What size weights to you find fit best ?

:smiley:

A-Jay

 

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2 minutes ago, A-Jay said:

 Nice Blue - I LIKE IT ~ ! 

What size weights to you find fit best ?

:smiley:

A-Jay

 

I mainly use the 1/8-1/4 ounce sizes in the Strike King Coffee tube. I would think up to a 3/8oz would probably fit pretty well in a larger tube like the OP is talking about. Hook clearance becomes the biggest issue with the bigger weights if they hang down too far. 

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1 hour ago, Bluebasser86 said:

I mainly use the 1/8-1/4 ounce sizes in the Strike King Coffee tube. I would think up to a 3/8oz would probably fit pretty well in a larger tube like the OP is talking about. Hook clearance becomes the biggest issue with the bigger weights if they hang down too far. 

Thanks - I'll be checking this one out - 

As soon as my casts stop bouncing.

:smiley:

A-Jay

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the only issue i see with those hooks is that the gap between the weight and the hook point is so small, as long as you use a suitable size hook i think you should be fine

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@Bluebasser86 or @A-Jay isn’t it lindy that makes a weight similar to how you described rigging with your set up?

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1 hour ago, Bluebasser86 said:

I mainly use the 1/8-1/4 ounce sizes in the Strike King Coffee tube. I would think up to a 3/8oz would probably fit pretty well in a larger tube like the OP is talking about. Hook clearance becomes the biggest issue with the bigger weights if they hang down too far. 

That's what I needed to know, 3/8 will be the heaviest I will ever need.

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10 minutes ago, Swbass15 said:

@Bluebasser86 or @A-Jay isn’t it lindy that makes a weight similar to how you described rigging with your set up?

Not certain - these are a very basic & often generic weights offered under many brands.

A-Jay 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Swbass15 said:

@Bluebasser86 or @A-Jay isn’t it lindy that makes a weight similar to how you described rigging with your set up?

I believe it was Mustad that used to make one that went with the Shaw Grigsby tube hooks but I haven't seen them for a while. Lindy now makes one designed to do the same thing, but it's very finicky about what hooks work with the weights because the hole is in the lead itself.

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Yamamoto and and a couple other make them too, but they have the same issue with having to have just the exact right hook or they don't work.

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in case anyone is interested in what I plan to make. but will be trying bluebasser's version too

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9 hours ago, Bluebasser86 said:

I make my own kind of rig with a bass casting sinker with the brass eye. Push the eye up to the top of the tube and when you T-rig the tube, pass the hook through the eye so the weight stays to the top of the tube. Bam, poor man's phantom weight tube rig. 

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 Learned this from the Ike finesse fishing video.

 

Allen

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Just now, Munkin said:

 Learned this from the Ike finesse fishing video.

 

Allen

It works great for smallmouth on one of the lakes I fish with zebra mussels because the bait falls more horizontal and keeps the line out of the rocks better to protect the line and knot. I started using bullet weights and egg sinkers, but lose them every fish or two. Then I tried the casting sinker and it worked great and I lose way fewer of them. I don't do it for largemouth often, but it skips awesome if you're fishing docks. 

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1 hour ago, riverbasser said:

in case anyone is interested in what I plan to make. but will be trying bluebasser's version too

I have used this things from Monar Hooks to try an idea like that;

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It works, but it is a PIA and using a sinker with a nice wide wire loop is far far easier.  I have a small pile of the other insert weights that were posted and none of them work as well as a sinker.  The only issue with the sinker is fit, but if you use a little megastrike as lube you can get them in some pretty tight tubes, it actually give them a cool gobie-like look.  

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Just curious as to why you wouldn’t just T-Rig the tube and peg the weight. Although I have used bluebasser’s style of internal weighing a tube, it’s limited to the lighter weights as the weights I use for flipping are generally 3/8oz or larger. No extra terminal tackle needed to T-Rig, so there’s also a saving of carrying less and spending less. 

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I've had to modify a drop shot when I lost my last internal weight.

I liked the skinny drop shot weight in the longer tubes as it did not impede with the hookset IMO.

I used 2 pairs of needle nose to expand where the line goes to accommodate the hook.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, papajoe222 said:

Just curious as to why you wouldn’t just T-Rig the tube and peg the weight. Although I have used bluebasser’s style of internal weighing a tube, it’s limited to the lighter weights as the weights I use for flipping are generally 3/8oz or larger. No extra terminal tackle needed to T-Rig, so there’s also a saving of carrying less and spending less. 

this is what I have been doing, just want to try something different. I don't use tungsten and I don't like the way a 3/8 lead t-rig looks. like I said im just tinkering with new stuff, I also think the internal weight will be much better coming through cover

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19 minutes ago, papajoe222 said:

Just curious as to why you wouldn’t just T-Rig the tube and peg the weight. Although I have used bluebasser’s style of internal weighing a tube, it’s limited to the lighter weights as the weights I use for flipping are generally 3/8oz or larger. No extra terminal tackle needed to T-Rig, so there’s also a saving of carrying less and spending less. 

The bait falls more horizontal than vertical like it does with a T-rig, looks a lot like a descending craw waiting to be eaten. It also scoots and glides better along the bottom.

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16 hours ago, riverbasser said:

The "stupid rig"  is definitely easier but I don't like the line tie being so off from the front which will make it coming through thick wood cover harder. Maybe I'm picking but I also like to tinker so that's part of this whole thing

Thick wood ..... you mean like this ?

 

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In 3+ decades of fishing that place never had a problem stupid rigging my tubes, btw, I do own a few packs of those Phantom Tube hooks, they are there somewhere in the boxes of stuff I never use because I found a better solution.

 

 

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7 hours ago, Bluebasser86 said:

The bait falls more horizontal than vertical like it does with a T-rig, looks a lot like a descending craw waiting to be eaten. It also scoots and glides better along the bottom.

Now that's a reason to give them a try. I'm always open to new ways of rigging a tube. I tried belly weighted swimbait hooks to get that type of fall, but the tube wanted to glide. I still use them, just not for flipping.

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