Chug Bug Posted December 21, 2006 Posted December 21, 2006 Hey guys, I haven't posted in a while, but will come back for this. Please avoid Hi-point. When we would have to make one of these safe for the evidence tech, we would draw straws. Dangerous gun. Also, why are you considering a concealed carry? Do you do money drops or something? Will end up getting in more trouble carrying a weapon than it will do for you protection wise. Quote
Super User ww2farmer Posted December 21, 2006 Super User Posted December 21, 2006 The military uses the Colt .45 Govt. model (semi-automatic) sidearm Did I miss something? I thought they switched to the Beretta 9mm about 10 years years ago and it is still standard Nato issue (including US) 10 years ago??? Sorry you old guys ;D, it was more like 20 years ago. The army adopted the M9 in the early/mid 1980's (like 82/83/84 ish) Not quite sure of the exact year, or when the pistol was officaly put in use. Quote
jdw174 Posted December 21, 2006 Posted December 21, 2006 The military uses the Colt .45 Govt. model (semi-automatic) sidearm Did I miss something? I thought they switched to the Beretta 9mm about 10 years years ago and it is still standard Nato issue (including US) Indeed they did, but the specs are now out for a "new" military sidearm with a double stack mag in .45 ACP. Apparently they found out (again) that smaller calibers in ball ammo can't quite cut the mustard. Quote
telecaster Posted December 21, 2006 Posted December 21, 2006 I've allways been a fan of the 1911 style 45's.I've owned all of the differant Colt models at one time or an other. Kimber makes a good one now,a little more $$$ than some of the others like S&W or Springfield. I've heard that Taurus makes the best out of the box preforming 1911 out there now and its less $$ than all three of the above.My brother just bought one and loves it,I havn't had a chance to try it yet.. Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted December 21, 2006 Super User Posted December 21, 2006 My son has a Kimber Pro Carry II. I think that is a great option for CC. http://www.kimberamerica.com/pistols/compactprocarry/ Quote
Rattlinrogue Posted December 21, 2006 Posted December 21, 2006 I own several handguns(Ruger Super Blackhawk .44 Mag,Smith and Wesson Airweight .38,Taurus .45 Auto),but I'll go with Raul on home protection.Under the stress of being broken in on with life and death consequences,I'll go with my Rem 1100 w/3 inch #1 buck.It's had some really devastating results on deer.I'd get the hell out of Dodge if I was looking down the business end of any shotgun. Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted December 21, 2006 Super User Posted December 21, 2006 I cast my vote to shotguns for home defense, too. This is a much safer option if you cannot, or are not intersted in, devoting some time to weapons training. No matter what one choses, some initial training and occasional usage is required. Quote
Super User Catt Posted December 21, 2006 Super User Posted December 21, 2006 My biggest seller at Academy this holiday season has been Magnum Research's Baby Eagle (built by the Israelis) available in 9 mm, .40 S & W, and .45 ACP Quote
Super User Catt Posted December 21, 2006 Super User Posted December 21, 2006 My #1 seller is a Remington 870 Express 12 gauge, 28" barrel, with a Modified Rem Choke at $189.00 Quote
jdw174 Posted December 21, 2006 Posted December 21, 2006 As a retired cop with 22 years of service, I can tell you from experience that just the sound of a shell being jacked into the chamber of a 12 gauge pump will cause 99% of intruders to put on the brakes and beat a retreat. The other 1%? Well, that's what you racked the shell in there for in the first place Quote
Aaron Posted December 21, 2006 Author Posted December 21, 2006 I appreciate all the continuing repsonses. I want as much as input as possible before making such a big decision. I do own a Remington 870 Express Super Magnum that I bought a few months ago. I love this gun. I can do about anything with it. Again, the main reason I am looking for a hand gun is just to do some taget & rec shooting but I want something I could defend myself with if absolutley necessary. I don't have a CC permit and won't have one for some time so this doesn't really have to serve that purpose. Thanks again. Quote
Rattlinrogue Posted December 21, 2006 Posted December 21, 2006 My #1 seller is a Remington 870 Express 12 gauge, 28" barrel, with a Modified Rem Choke at $189.00 Man,that's a great price!The cheapest I've seen that gun is $238.00. Quote
fishbear Posted December 21, 2006 Posted December 21, 2006 As a retired cop with 22 years of service, I can tell you from experience that just the sound of a shell being jacked into the chamber of a 12 gauge pump will cause 99% of intruders to put on the brakes and beat a retreat. The other 1%? Well, that's what you racked the shell in there for in the first place I could not agree more. I have seen it happen. Quote
justfishin Posted December 22, 2006 Posted December 22, 2006 Colt Python Elite .357 mag Ruger Super Redhawk .44 mag I like revolvers and the two above shoot real well. Also, if you want a auto check into the Sig 229 in .40 cal. Quote
Bud Posted December 22, 2006 Posted December 22, 2006 Aaron give me a call. We will walk out back and shoot any or all of my guns including my carry gun. Bud Quote
Water Dog Posted December 24, 2006 Posted December 24, 2006 I have to make a comment on this post since this is something that I am good at. You stirred everyone up with your casual approach to such a serious subject. Even having grown up around guns you should consider yourself a novice especially when it comes to sidearms. There are so many safety considerations besides your own safety in handling the firearm versus a rifle or shotgun. For example, is there any remote possibility that a child (who hasn't been raised to respect firearms) will be anywhere near your gun? Going to a range and being under a range officer's control would be a good experience for you. Everyone has a handgun for sale at the range, I would advise you to take your time. Your shotgun should be your 'go to' weapon, I'm thinking, at this point. I guess what threw most of us was mentioning a handgun for recreation and self defense in the same sentence. That covers a lot of ground. You need to shoot a lot to be proficient with a handgun and any caliber above a .22 costs money. For me that means I need a .22 or two or three to shoot at tin cans, what a lot of fun. Now for self defense, .40 cal is the flavor of the day but my .45 ACP, .45 long colt, 357 mag., 44 mag. are all better. Todays shooters call the 9mm a 'mouse gun' but Governments have killed millions of people in the last century with them. A 9mm hollow point will do a lot of damage and you can save that magazine for the bad guy. I have some Isralli Diamond Cut rounds that are really nasty. You can buy 9mm surplus FMJ ammo for around $105/thousand and you can afford to practice some at that price. You can find revolvers chambered for 9mm on <gunbroker.com> occasionally if you want to be considerably safer and more reliable than the semi-autos. Glocks are great but the extra mags that you need are expensive. Browning 9mm's or Fabrique-Nat.'s (same factory) version is also good, extra 17 round South African mags are $30 and they are good. That's $400 a gun versus around $650 for your Springfield 40 cal. I would go with the Springfield 1911 .45 ACP copy, myself if I had to have a Springfield. If you really like shooting you can invest about $1000 in a good progressive reloader and shell costs will eventually go down and the caliber choice is no longer important as far as costs to shoot. That is kind of liking making your own bait. You have to need a lot to make it pay. You can find excellent .38 special S&W revolvers for $300 and loaded with hollow points are accurate, safe, and man stoppers at close range. Buy the .357 mag revolver for a little more and stop the bad guy and his buddy through the wall out in the hall. Buy a stainless and you can carry it on the boat (where it and you are legal). You can get protection on a budget if you do your homework. There is a lot of homework to do. This is homework that you will enjoy! Quote
N.Jack Posted December 24, 2006 Posted December 24, 2006 Definitley look into pistol courses. I am 17 years old, been shooting rifles/shotguns since I was 5. Had my first .22 at 4.5 years old. Practice at the range, and saftey will be #1 concern. Finger never goes on the trigger until ready to shoot, and situation verified. Meaning you intended to shoot a target, no obstructions, and you can do it. Im not talking just self defense here, but in all shooting examples. Always know whats behind your target, at all times. Bullets can pass through. As for self defense, Pistol at the ready, 2 hand grip, If it is singel action **** the hammer with the hand supporting your shooting hand(make sense)? Dont come donw on the target, come up. If you own the 870 your better off wiht a shotgun in the house, close quarters. Or a .380 Semi short nose, small compact and deadly to about 20 yards, more than enough. Quote
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