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Is it ignorance or laziness?

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I think it's laziness.  Many posters on this site don't even bother to capitalize the beginning of a sentence.  They don't bother to capitalize the word "I", they don't bother to check their spelling, and they think a period is something a woman has.

The Internet has become the primary means of both formal and informal communication between individuals of all educational levels.  This site is one of informality, but there is no excuse for laziness when it comes to posting on this or any other site.  Think about how the readers of your post will perceive you.    

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Wow!  I was wondering where the grammar and spelling police have been.  Let me guess, your prescription ran out and you can't get to the doctor until Friday.

Actually, I agree with you.  Some of the posts on here are hard to read due to the lack of proper grammar.

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hmmmm, i don't usually capitalize the beginnings of my sentences or capitalize the word "i" but i always capitalize all of the words that should be capitalized in my thread titles. i always make sure i use proper grammar and spelling too. i look words up sometimes if i'm unsure.

so i am making a conscious decision to do some things correctly, and other things incorrectly. not really sure what you would call that.

i would call it my typing style *bling* 8-) *bling*

in the words of T-Rig:

"Whoever finds spelling errors can keep them!"

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Our hands are much tired from a whole day casting, so we just try to get the posts as short as possible and still making sense.

Yes I tried  ;)

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Wow!  I was wondering where the grammar and spelling police have been.

I think Mike is wondering the same thing,....it's kind of his point. ;)

My sister is a teacher,....she knows this pain also.

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I think Mike's point suggests that if you want to be taken seriously,

correct spelling, basic grammar, punctuation and capitalization is in

order. If you don't care, a lot of people just skip over anything you

might have to say.

8-)

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When I am at Elaines I use her laptop , and the letters are very small. I work from here and on our work Citrix Site,the writing is very small. When I answer for work I can type in all capitals, when I press enter the wording gets sent correctly.

  So when I come back here I forget sometimes and then have to correct by unlocking the Caps, I do not always catch it. How many points do I loose when I do that? ;D

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I think it's laziness.  Many posters on this site don't even bother to capitalize the beginning of a sentence.  They don't bother to capitalize the word "I", they don't bother to check their spelling, and they think a period is something a woman has.

The Internet has become the primary means of both formal and informal communication between individuals of all educational levels.  This site is one of informality, but there is no excuse for laziness when it comes to posting on this or any other site.  Think about how the readers of your post will perceive you.    

Mike,  I have joined you in this battle before and will again but,  as you can see from the first couple of posts that the ignorant will be ignorant.   To answer Dave S.,  it's laziness.  To confirm RW's comment,  I skip over posts that are sometimes un-readable.   I noticed in the resume board,  there is a lot of defense of spelling and grammar.  But,  let it happen on other boards and defense of the ignorant and lazy (and mocking) ensue.  Go figure.

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When I write something on the internet or pretty much anywhere the 'public' will see it, I take some time on spelling, grammar, etc. Two sayings come to mind in regard to this:

1. You never get a second chance to make a first impression.

2. Better to be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Just my .02  :)

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When I am at Elaines I use her laptop , and the letters are very small. I work from here and on our work Citrix Site,the writing is very small. When I answer for work I can type in all capitals, when I press enter the wording gets sent correctly.

So when I come back here I forget sometimes and then have to correct by unlocking the Caps, I do not always catch it. How many points do I loose when I do that? ;D

I would bet you LOSE a bunch.... ;)  

Just messin' buddy.

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Muddy,

You're exempt!

::)

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Mike, I have joined you in this battle before and will again

Easy there Braveheart. Sounds like some folks forgot to take their Centrum Silver this morning. ;D

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Mike, I think a majority of the problem began when users no longer had to push the "shift" key to capitalize important words in a sentence.

MS Word and other programs now have a simulated brain to do all your thinking for you.  It will capitalize the beginning of your sentences, your "I's" and at least note important words that should have a capital letter so the user can decide if a "big letter" is necessary.

Spell check is a wonderful thing, but does nothing to assist the user in learning the words.  It makes for a wonderful tool if a document needs to look professional, but unfortunately really only highlights the lack of spelling ability for many people.

Wayne

!!LO!Lz, pwnage is sw33t  

^ What the hell is that?  

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Actually we took our Centrum plus with 1000mg of caffine ::)

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Some simple rules:

1. Verbs HAS to agree with their subjects.

2. Never use a preposition to end a sentence with.

3. And don't start a sentence with a conjunction.

4. It is wrong to ever split an infinitive.

5. Avoid cliches like the plague. (They're old hat.)

6. Also, always avoid annoying alliteration.

7. Be more or less specific.

8. Parenthetical remarks (however relevant) are (usually) unnecessary.

9. Also too, never, ever use repetitive redundancies endlessly over and over again

10. No sentence fragments.

11. Contractions aren't always necessary and shouldn't be used to excess so don't.

12. Foreign words and phrases are not always apropos.

13. Do not be redundant; do not use more words than necessary; it's highly superfluous and can be excessive

14. All generalizations are bad.

15. Comparisons are as bad as cliches.

16. Don't use no double negatives.

17. Avoid excessive use of ampersands & abbrevs., etc.

18. One-word sentences? Eliminate.

19. Analogies in writing are like feathers on a snake (Unless they are as good as gold).

20. The passive voice is to be ignored.

21. Eliminate commas, that are, not necessary. Parenthetical words, however, should be enclosed in commas.

22. Never use a big word when substituting a diminutive one would suffice.

23. Don't overuse exclamation points!!!

24. Use words correctly, irregardless of how others use them.

25. Understatement is always the absolute best way to put forth earth-shaking ideas

26. Use the apostrophe in it's proper place and omit it when its not needed and use it correctly with words' that show possession.

27. Don't use too many quotations. As Ralph Waldo Emerson said, "I hate quotations.. Tell me what you know."

28. If you've heard it once, you've heard it a billion times: Resist hyperbole; not one writer in a million can use it correctly. Besides, hyperbole is always overdone, anyway.

29. Puns are for children, not groan readers.

30. Go around the barn at high noon to avoid colloquialisms.

31. Even IF a mixed metaphor sings, it should be derailed.

32. Who needs rhetorical questions? However, what if there were no rhetorical questions?

33. Exaggeration is a billion times worse than understatement.

34. Avoid "buzz-words"; such integrated transitional scenarios complicate simplistic matters

35. People don't spell "a lot" correctly alot of the time.

36. Each person should use their possessive pronouns correctly

37. All grammar and spelling rules have exceptions (with a few exceptions)....Morgan's Law.

38. Proofread carefully to see if you any words out.

39. The dash a sometimes useful punctuation mark can often be overused even though it's a helpful tool some of the time.

40. Proofread carefully to make sure you don't repeat repeat any words.

41. In writing, it's important to remember that dangling sentences.

41. When numbering in a written document, check your numbering system carefully.

42. It is important to use italics for emphasis sparingly.

43. In good writing, for good reasons, under normal circumstances, whenever you can, use prepositional phrases in limited numbers and with great caution.

44. Avoid going out on tangents unrelated to your subject -- not the subject of a sentence -- that's another story (like the stories written by Ernest Hemingway, who by the way wrote the great fisherman story The Old Man and the Sea).

45. Complete sentences. Like rule 10.

46. Unless you're a righteous expert don't try to be too cool with slang to which you're not hip.

47. If you must use slang, avoid out-of-date slang. Right on!

48. You'll look poorly if you misuse adverbs.

49. Use the ellipsis ( . . . ) to indicate missing . . .

50. Use brackets to indicate that you [ not Shakespeare, for example ] are giving people [ in your class ] information so that they [ the people in your class ] know about whom you are speaking. But do not use brackets when making these references [ to other authors ] excessively.

51. Note: People just can't stomach too much use of the colon.

52. Between good grammar and bad grammar, good grammar is the best.

53. There are so many great grammar rules that I can't decide between them.

54. In English, unlike German, the verb early in the sentence, not later, should be placed.

55. When you write sentences, shifting verb tense is bad.

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33. Exaggeration is a billion times worse than understatement.

LOL!!! I love that list, Zel, and I'm emailing it around to my coworkers, who violate every one of those rules on a daily basis...

Mike, I agree 100% ! A big problem is that you can point this stuff out over and over, and the repeat offenders blissfully press on, thinking you are talking about somebody else... My particular pet peeve is the misuse of homophones - hear/here, their/there/they're, and your/you're.  

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Some simple rules:

1. Verbs HAS to agree with their subjects.

2. Never use a preposition to end a sentence with.

3. And don't start a sentence with a conjunction.

4. It is wrong to ever split an infinitive.

5. Avoid cliches like the plague. (They're old hat.)

6. Also, always avoid annoying alliteration.

7. Be more or less specific.

8. Parenthetical remarks (however relevant) are (usually) unnecessary.

9. Also too, never, ever use repetitive redundancies endlessly over and over again

10. No sentence fragments.

11. Contractions aren't always necessary and shouldn't be used to excess so don't.

12. Foreign words and phrases are not always apropos.

13. Do not be redundant; do not use more words than necessary; it's highly superfluous and can be excessive

14. All generalizations are bad.

15. Comparisons are as bad as cliches.

16. Don't use no double negatives.

17. Avoid excessive use of ampersands & abbrevs., etc.

18. One-word sentences? Eliminate.

19. Analogies in writing are like feathers on a snake (Unless they are as good as gold).

20. The passive voice is to be ignored.

21. Eliminate commas, that are, not necessary. Parenthetical words, however, should be enclosed in commas.

22. Never use a big word when substituting a diminutive one would suffice.

23. Don't overuse exclamation points!!!

24. Use words correctly, irregardless of how others use them.

25. Understatement is always the absolute best way to put forth earth-shaking ideas

26. Use the apostrophe in it's proper place and omit it when its not needed and use it correctly with words' that show possession.

27. Don't use too many quotations. As Ralph Waldo Emerson said, "I hate quotations.. Tell me what you know."

28. If you've heard it once, you've heard it a billion times: Resist hyperbole; not one writer in a million can use it correctly. Besides, hyperbole is always overdone, anyway.

29. Puns are for children, not groan readers.

30. Go around the barn at high noon to avoid colloquialisms.

31. Even IF a mixed metaphor sings, it should be derailed.

32. Who needs rhetorical questions? However, what if there were no rhetorical questions?

33. Exaggeration is a billion times worse than understatement.

34. Avoid "buzz-words"; such integrated transitional scenarios complicate simplistic matters

35. People don't spell "a lot" correctly alot of the time.

36. Each person should use their possessive pronouns correctly

37. All grammar and spelling rules have exceptions (with a few exceptions)....Morgan's Law.

38. Proofread carefully to see if you any words out.

39. The dash a sometimes useful punctuation mark can often be overused even though it's a helpful tool some of the time.

40. Proofread carefully to make sure you don't repeat repeat any words.

41. In writing, it's important to remember that dangling sentences.

41. When numbering in a written document, check your numbering system carefully.

42. It is important to use italics for emphasis sparingly.

43. In good writing, for good reasons, under normal circumstances, whenever you can, use prepositional phrases in limited numbers and with great caution.

44. Avoid going out on tangents unrelated to your subject -- not the subject of a sentence -- that's another story (like the stories written by Ernest Hemingway, who by the way wrote the great fisherman story The Old Man and the Sea).

45. Complete sentences. Like rule 10.

46. Unless you're a righteous expert don't try to be too cool with slang to which you're not hip.

47. If you must use slang, avoid out-of-date slang. Right on!

48. You'll look poorly if you misuse adverbs.

49. Use the ellipsis ( . . . ) to indicate missing . . .

50. Use brackets to indicate that you [ not Shakespeare, for example ] are giving people [ in your class ] information so that they [ the people in your class ] know about whom you are speaking. But do not use brackets when making these references [ to other authors ] excessively.

51. Note: People just can't stomach too much use of the colon.

52. Between good grammar and bad grammar, good grammar is the best.

53. There are so many great grammar rules that I can't decide between them.

54. In English, unlike German, the verb early in the sentence, not later, should be placed.

55. When you write sentences, shifting verb tense is bad.

NICE! What a list.  I think if we can capitalize "I" and proper names and the beginning of sentences and spell even common words correctly and use some punctuation,  we can claim some victory.    I

PS   If you can go back into the history of some of the threads on this topic,  you'll see the battle I'm refering to.

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there is no excuse for laziness

awwwwww c'mon Mike, with a little effort I'm sure you can find a few.  ;D

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