Dan:

Is anything still useable? I assume you will be hosing all that crap off-let us know what you can still use (hopefully at LEAST the box--if the hinges haven't rusted)

Watch the CBC documentary. And read the sources. They have cited facts and good points. Why discredit these sources as biased when you have yet to supply any of your own. Do you think yours will be any less biased than mine? Do you think the global warmists don't have bias? Of course they do. And the media propagates it. Smog and temperature changes are different things. Sure we can affect our air, I'm not disputing that, what I am saying is that the temperature will fix itself. They are different issues. I'm not saying we shouldn't limit our air pollution, that's a different problem. I'm not saying we should let the earth clean the air, that's not what I am saying will fix itself. The thing that will fix itself is the temperature changes. If it is getting warm, the earth will cool, it's a cycle that happens naturally and therefore there really isn't much we can or should do to help it. It's not bad, it's natural, it'll fix itself as it has before--is what I'm saying. It's not a cop out, a cop out would suggest I'm talking an easy way out of a problem, my argument is that there is no problem. And I don't think you understand what the changes would cost us. You put it simply: $$$$$. And that is true. But it's not just that simple. It's not like the restrictions would just make those greedy companies lose some profit. It's restrictions on businesses that would cost the economy BIG BUCKS. And that hit to the economy would equate to a big hit on people EVERYWHERE ON THE EARTH. It would be simple economics, if businesses have to pay more, people have to pay more, and lots of people CAN'T pay more. More people would be hungry, more wouldn't be able to go to school, it isn't just a dollar out of some CEOs's pockets, it's money out of everyone's pocket. And the cause for all that? Something that may be happening. Something we don't even know is real would cost everyone. That's not a good cost-benefit situation if you ask me. We need to be SURE this is happening before we "make changes." As of now, that is not the case. Glenn, please let us know if we are crossing the line. I will gladly delete my posts if they go to far, just let me know. As of know I don't think we have crossed the line because we are keeping to debating the science, but if we have, I have no problem correcting it.

I wasn't contradicting myself, my main point was that there isn't explicit evidence to prove a) that the earth is even warming at all and if it is warming, if it is because of anything we have done or if it is part of a natural cycle. I guess I didn't clarify that very well. I find it curious that you think my opinion was copied and pasted even though your argument is basically what any global warmist would say on an average day, you offer no specific facts though. I also take offense to your assumption that I have not looked at the issue with an "open mind" and that I am just following what I am told--how can you know how much I've researched and thought about this? How do you know you are the only one who is thinking about this without any bias? I would say it takes a lot more thinking to go against global warming than it does to go with it because of the media propagation of the pro-global warming stance. It is easier to just sit and watch the news tell you that global warming is our fault and we should abandon our evil ways than it is to actually research the counterpoint. Here are some things I think you should read, you don't have to, but I think it would offer you some of the dual sided parts of the argument that you seem to think are so necessary but neglect to investigate. 1 2 3 5 6 7 Also, I suggest you search for the CBC Documentary on Global Warming, it's a video series that can be found on youtube. Here is my stance: We can't even be sure if the earth is in fact warming. There is contradictory data that would suggest either option. If we accept that the earth is warming, we have to recognize how small the warming has been, a couple of degrees celsius over the course of more than a century. That means we are relying on data taken by hundred year old thermometers. Also, IF the earth is warming, we have to determine if it is doing so unnaturally. I do not believe it is. There is plenty of evidence to prove that the earth's temperature has naturally fluctuated in the past and the current fluctuation (if it is indeed fluctuating) is natural and will correct itself just like it did before. I think we are making a fuss about something that happens naturally and will naturally take care of itself as it has in the past. I don't think it is smart to trust "computer models" for things that they can't possibly anticipate or factor in.

JEEZ! that last fish almost started digesting that thing! I like a variety of cranks. I have a bunch of Rapala's DT series. I also like Norman cranks. they aren't too pricey and they work pretty well.

it looks like a bobble head, nice fish.

I've got a couple like these

I'm sorry man, I don't mean to make you feel like crap, your argument just doesn't make sense to me though. If you don't want to fish for spawners because you think it makes the eggs vulnerable, then by all means, don't spawn fish, that's perfectly fine by me. But the argument you made came off a bit like something PETA would say to me, that's all. I'm sorry if I made you feel bad, I should be more welcoming of new members.

that's crazy! Are these other fishermen really that desperate to get bass to eat? I mean, I could understand it I guess if they were homeless or something and really needed the food, but why eat them if you don't need to? It's not like bass are especially good tasting fish or anything.

You'll be glad you did it in the end. School is a great experience, plus it's getting to the point where having a degree really does make things easier for you later. ghoti, where and what do you teach?

why would other people go nuts if you released a fish back into the lake? I would be happy because then I can catch it later...

The lake I usually fish is right here on the campus of James Madison University. That being the case, there is tons of trash, mostly beer cans. I can't really do anything about it because most of the trash is out in the water and I can only bank fish. SOmetimes it gets so bad that I have to wait for a big rain storm to clear out the trash from the area I fish (right below the feeder creek). I wish I could get everyone to stop littering, but the trash comes downstream from downtown Harrisonburg and I just don't think there's a way to get people to care, especially because only a dozen or so people actually use the lake at all.

Totally agreed.

yes please -Dan

Do a forum search for "global warming." There are tons of threads about this subject already and I don't think we need another.

I see them a lot at Wal-Mart

a) they don't have intercourse fish aren't the same as humans. If you try to show them "the same respect" in reproduciton, why don't you do the same in general? If you go by your logic of treating them like you would a human, I would hope you wouldn't be trying to get them to bite a hook either... :-?

Some of those sound like reasonably ideas, but others go too far. For instance, do you know how easy it is to get a misdemeanor? I'll bet there are lots of people on this forum that have one. They are not as difficult to get or as heinous as most people think. Do you think a grown adult shouldn't be allowed to get a gun because he drank a beer when he was 17 and got caught? Because under your suggestions, he wouldn't be able to. Also, if you think you're assessment of the purposes and intent of the Constitution is the only one, guess again. There are numerous debates about various issues about how we should interpret the Constitution, neither side has any logical superiority to the other, both have valid points (hence the controversy). So you saying what the intent of the writers were doesn't really prove a point.

Norton isn't the best, it'll work but it won't detect everything or remove everything. I would recommend getting Kaspersky Antivirus and Webroot Spysweeper for the best possible protection (IMO)

aww, I'm sorry. just kidding, congrats.

Ok so I'm hearing that this originated from a fight with his girlfriend. What happened in our society that people can't deal with anything bad anymore? I don't think people used to go on shooting rampages or kill themselves when bad things happened to them, what has changed that? Why do some people go absolutely nuts when they experience something bad that happens to so many other people with no incident? Why can't people deal with things?

Being from VA, I know a lot of people who go to VaTech, thank God they are alright. This is awful. I've seen some reports that say he lined up people and shot them one by one. That would explain why the number of killed is greater than the number injured. Usually in shootings like this there are far more injuries than kills because of the chaos of the situation making it difficult for the shooter to hit anyone. If he actually did line them up, that would explain it. It would also be disgusting, it makes me cringe just thinking of it. BTW, the last shooting was not a student, it was an escaped convict.

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NICE HAWG!! I agree about the eyes, that's definitely the first thing you see when you look at the picture--they're HUGE!

I was on the Rappahannock River in Fredericksburg this past weekend and I saw a bunch of guys fishing. I tried a few baits, but nothing was biting. The other fishermen were catching loads of fish but I couldn't tell what they were. Later someone told me they were herring. There were tons of guys out there with light spinning tackle and lots of fly fishermen. So I guess I didn't catch anything because my baits were for bass and thus way too big. Anyway, to the question: What do you use to catch herring? Some of the other fishermen were catching some pretty nice sized ones. Having never fished for them, I have no idea what to use.