WetBlanket

Yes, but when you add "i got rid of all of my X because of Y", that's nothing but adding fake weight to your argument, just to make it sound like the other brand is so far inferior that its not worth anybodies time. If he had one daiwa, and got rid of it, that's perfectly fine, but if he had ten or more, and you sold em at a bargain because "Shimano is better", he wouldn't have bought them to begin with if this was the case. Literally the two biggest brands. You don't need to pit anything. They're in direct competition trying to out-do each other. As far as i remember, and i only had gen 2 and gen 3 revos, their gear sets are pretty big, so the wear on them being slow does make sense.

The same sarcasm could be applied to expensive reels, but we all have em😱

Nothing, its opinion against opinion. But, to anybody that has tried a newish daiwa reel with their new large teeth gear cut, has most likely noticed the glassy smoothness and the longevity of the gear set itself. These reels have been around for long enough that i would assume most have at least tried them. I also believe that if there was a way to measure smoothness (i believe i've seen a Japanese guy that had a tool that measured vibration felt through the knobs), daiwa would easily win against shimano, and the only two reels that could compete is the anteres and the conquest.

Did you buy all your Daiwas used, in super worn condition, or something? There is no chance that you could use a zillion, jdm or not, and say that a Metanium is smoother. I've had every metanium made (excluding the ones that were made on older platforms than the chronarch d) and the 24 Met DC, and its not even close. They're not rough, but you feel the raspiness, and they're not glassy like all the steezes, zillion, alphas, the new ss air, etc. Feels to me that you've added the "all my daiwas sold off" just to add some weight to your argument, and in reality, you never even had em lol.

As someone who has been using both (more daiwas than Shimanos), i've noticed something in the last five or so years. Back in the 2000s and 2010s, you had a few reels from Daiwa that were universally considered as super smooth. Those reels were the OG Zillion, PX68/SPR, and the Z2020 to name a couple, but in general, most Daiwa reels were considered as "more connected"/"more geary" than almost everything offered by Shimano. Be it the Curado E, Chronarch D, any of the Conquest reels, any of the calais/anteres, any older metaniums, etc. Shimano was the "buttery smooth" retreive reels while daiwa, in most cases, couldn't get to its smoothness, especially when some resistance is applied on the line. This has changed in 2016 when the Steez TW came out with that new style of gearing cut that was introduced into the Daiwa lineup. Since barely any reels back then used the "bigger teeth" style of gearing, 2016 was still a win for Shimano i'd say. But when the Steez CT, and then the Alphas, Zillion, etc were released, this is where i feel like Daiwa has completely won the Smoothest Reel award. The conquest and the anteres line are super smooth, and can easily compete with Daiwa smoothest reels around, but literally nothing else from Shimano can (in my opinion, obviously). The bantams, the metaniums, the aldebarans, the scorpions, they all have this raspy vibration, while even a $150 Alphas feels like glass, with or without tension on the line. My best guess is that this new gearing Daiwa uses is a real game changer, and its what deserves most praise from the company, not t-wing, or some other gimmick like SV Boost. Do you agree, or disagree?

An SLX can do everything a metanium can, so that's not a reason not to release a new chronarch. A chronarch is Made In Japan, and many care about that. Make an aluminum frame & handle side plate reel, that is low profile, comes with an mgl spool, and its guaranteed to be popular. But then again, it'd be competing with the Zillion, and because shimano still uses their crappy micro module gearing, it would lose to a zillion with anyone that is "in the know". I am not a fan of SV either. Literally sold all my SV spools, and are using faster mag v/mag z spools instead.

Meh who needs to sort it out, just have a secondary business selling gear sets😎

I got the 7' MH Daiwa Black Label in 5pc.

As the title says, i just don't get it. From the introduction of the Chronarch ci4+ ages ago, the popularity of this platform dropped like a rock, but with the MGL version, this reel was completely forgotten. This could be a nice reel to compete with the Zillion, but instead, its a completely forgotten platform. Its as if Shimano doesn't want to make it great again because they're worried of it erroding the aldebaran and metanium sales.

I lost an OG slide swimmer 175 in perfect condition on a submerged tree like 3 days ago. Still traumatized😭

I am not sure what this has anything to do with the cast control knob. My 2006 Steez with the OG cast control cap works flawlessly like something that came out in 2024. My 2004 Pixy with the older style non clicking cast control cap works as good as anything released in the last few years, and i even prefer it over the likes of the 21 zillion, which i am big fanboy off of. A clicking cap doesn't make the reel better or worse, its just much better looking because they're more detailed, have a bunch of different designs, and they click.

You have to disassemble the whole thing to get to them, so i wouldn't say that its easy, but its a fishing reel, just take a pic after you've removed each part (or film it), and you'll be fine, there isn't that many parts inside a reel.

Get the HD. Also welcome to the best baitcaster currently in production.😎

MH is fine, but i would not want a fast tip. I've used the Megabass Triza StymPalides, which Megabass considers as a Heavy action rod (which i certainly wouldn't agree. way more of a MH rod than a H one) with a moderate fast taper, and really really loved it for jerkbaits. Just make sure the handle isn't long or its just annoying to work a jerkbait with a long handle.

I think that the only reason the zero adjuster (outside of marketing) was invented was because its much easier to produce than the older cast control caps they used to have, which were clicking and looked awesome. Nothing but a massive downgrade to me.

I mean, i would suggest an SLP, RCS or a Studio Composite carbon handle in 90mm, but that's expensive, and not everyone will spend $100+ on a handle alone. That's what i have on my at least. Aluminum and brass isn't much of a difference with these new gear sets from Daiwa. As a matter of fact, i have heard and seen much more buzzy brass sets in the USDM zillion than the Japanese version.

The HD is worth it for the looks alone. But for performance, i assume they're the same. With that handle and knobs, the HD is gonna be better for heavy cover, but then again, that can easily be replaced on the standard Zillion.

Been using the Ship-0 and ACE-2 for like 10 years.

I primarily use braid for both, but with a fluoro leader, and prefer MH rods with a moderate fast taper.

Alphas and Zillion are the two killer reels to buy from Japan. Nothing beats these for their current price, and i'd argue nothing is even close. Even tho the Alphas is not a finness reel, i wouldn't use it to flip, so if you need it for lighter stuff like jerkbaits, etc, its a good option, and if you need it for deep cranks, fishing in the grass, etc, the Zillion is perfect for that.

The 2020 Met frame is great, but i personally couldn't care less about DC itself. All it does is add weight to the spool because of the magnets. The DC is cool when you first get it, but after some months of use, the cool factor is completely gone and between the first conquest 200dc, conquest 50dc, 2015 met dc, met mg dc, calais dc and the 2017 scorpion dc that i've had, i am not seeing anything close to "dc outcasts everything, and is the best at fishing in the wind". I would personally get the Zillion just so you understand why its the most popular mid range reel that is even sabotaging the higher end from daiwa and shimano.

I use the 832 ranging from 8 to 60lb. That is it. Sufix better never discontinue this line.

I'd argue that this is the best baitcaster shimano makes when you take the price to performance (JDM prices) into considration. Its the Shimano's Zillion. And if they could make it in sub 6.5oz, and stopped using their garbage micro module gearing, it'd be as good as the Zillion.

Order these shims in 4x6x0.5mm, put a stack of them, and you'll be fine. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006306015607.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.64.10a91802c5pCKU edit: ah you're missing the center piece. Gotta contact Gomexus, its the only way.

If you haven't worked on a baitcaster, no, not easy, you have to disasseble the whole thing.