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This thing will do some damage. 

That is fantastic.  Burglars beware.

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I'd load that up - of course getting my hands on a few boxes will be another story.

 

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I am a little on the fence about this round honestly.  For home defense, sure why not.  For personal carry, NOPE.  Think about the fragmentation and the chance for innocent bystanders to be hit.  Part of being a responsible gun owner/carrier is knowing you can safely hit your target, and this round spreads out and splinters so bad, I think it has the potential to be dangerous. 

 

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I am a little on the fence about this round honestly.  For home defense, sure why not.  For personal carry, NOPE.  Think about the fragmentation and the chance for innocent bystanders to be hit.  Part of being a responsible gun owner/carrier is knowing you can safely hit your target, and this round spreads out and splinters so bad, I think it has the potential to be dangerous. 

 

Jeff

 

I hear you - be interesting to see if any LE affiliations pick it up.

 

A-Jay

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FWIW, you shouldn't carry a lethal round for everyday purposes, to many tricky DA's and law enforcement agencies, if you carry a hollow point they are saying that you are planning to murder whoever you have to shoot.  I know its crazy.....any way this round with the fragmentation is made to do massive internal damage, the round most likely will not punch all the way through.

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I am a little on the fence about this round honestly.  For home defense, sure why not.  For personal carry, NOPE.  Think about the fragmentation and the chance for innocent bystanders to be hit.  Part of being a responsible gun owner/carrier is knowing you can safely hit your target, and this round spreads out and splinters so bad, I think it has the potential to be dangerous. 

 

Jeff

Couldn't agree with you more.  

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I don't see it becoming available to the general public anytime soon.

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 Remember Black Talons their own promo work lead to their demise..There is NO magic bullet. Look very interesting only time will time.

 

shot placement is the only magic. 

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Hornady already makes a PD round with the same principle and less likely to fail as this looks like it may.

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FWIW, you shouldn't carry a lethal round for everyday purposes, to many tricky DA's and law enforcement agencies, if you carry a hollow point they are saying that you are planning to murder whoever you have to shoot.  I know its crazy.....any way this round with the fragmentation is made to do massive internal damage, the round most likely will not punch all the way through.

Well that's my general intention. Murder is a bit harsh though. I ain't gonna lie. I have every intention of trying to blow the mark in two. If I have to defend myself and it comes down to using my gun. I'm not shooting to incapacitate. I'm shooting kill.

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total gimmick to me.

 

it will be hard pressed to ever surpass, IMO, the hollow point.

hollow points are the safest(for the innocent bystander), most effective round out there.... especially seeing the heavy for caliber rounds made by underwood and others.

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It looks cool. That's about it.

 

I'll go in with 19 other guys to buy a box just to have one in the collection but I wouldn't chamber it. I'll take my PDX1's all day, every day.

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Well that's my general intention. Murder is a bit harsh though. I ain't gonna lie. I have every intention of trying to blow the mark in two. If I have to defend myself and it comes down to using my gun. I'm not shooting to incapacitate. I'm shooting kill.

Trust me I'm shooting to kill, I read an article put out by the NRA that recommended carrying whatever the local leo's are. The article sited cases where charges (murder included) were brought against citizens protecting themselves. Personally I don't care what the leo's carry (alot carry fmj), I shoot hollow points center mass or head. I would never leave someone merely wounded, to many cases off the bad guy suing and winning.

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Trust me I'm shooting to kill, I read an article put out by the NRA that recommended carrying whatever the local leo's are. The article sited cases where charges (murder included) were brought against citizens protecting themselves. Personally I don't care what the leo's carry (alot carry fmj), I shoot hollow points center mass or head. I would never leave someone merely wounded, to many cases off the bad guy suing and winning.

And here at the end I thought you were being compassionate. Then you went and ruined it. :grin:

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LMAO I want to see the list of LEOs carrying FMJ.

 

that will be a new one on me.

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Trust me I'm shooting to kill, I read an article put out by the NRA that recommended carrying whatever the local leo's are. The article sited cases where charges (murder included) were brought against citizens protecting themselves. Personally I don't care what the leo's carry (alot carry fmj), I shoot hollow points center mass or head. I would never leave someone merely wounded, to many cases off the bad guy suing and winning.

 I would have to guess one shot one kill is probably the best option from a legal standpoint. The more rounds you pump into someone, could be viewed as "not so good" for your defense.

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LMAO I want to see the list of LEOs carrying FMJ.

that will be a new one on me.

bureau of prisons (federal) USCG, FBI did don't know if still do, those are they ones I worked with/for

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That round will leave nothing for repair, nothing.

 

I would like to see it chambered with a nosler for a muzzleloader.

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You guys sayin nosler do you mean the plastic tips???? Nosler is a brand I love tipped bullets personally its all i shoot. I read an article the other week that the Army/SF are working and testing a new tipped bullet instead of FMJ. Problem with that is Geneva convention laws

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FBI uses a bonded JHP. It was the Winchester PDX1 but I believe they recently switched to Federal, still in a bonded JHP.

 

I'd guess the USCG carries FMJ as they are military.

 

BOP - not sure.

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I'd guess the USCG carries FMJ as they are military.

 

 

only reason  I can figure.

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, FBI did

 

FBI uses remington golden saber JHP, at least the few FBI guys I know say thats what they are issued.

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You have to remember I'm an old guy, I haven't carried in an official capacity since the 80's, long before the Los Angeles shootout where the bad guys were covered in armor and carried assault rifles, and before the Miami shootout, where the agents were shot because they were policing their brass during the shoot out.  BOP in 2002 issued and I carried FMJ, the policy was a non-lethal response, hence the fmj.  Allot changed in law enforcement after the two incidents I gave, before I was trained in non-lethal response, the goal was to stop the bad guy not necessarily end their life. 

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