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I really want to use FC for more than just cranks, but I'm constantly breaking off at the knot when setting the hook on just about any single hook presentation. I love the sensitivity vs. mono, but I can't remember the last time mono failed me. I've tried different knots with the same results, along with various brands.

Do you adjust your hook-set when using FC?

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I really want to use FC for more than just cranks, but I'm constantly breaking off at the knot when setting the hook on just about any single hook presentation. I love the sensitivity vs. mono, but I can't remember the last time mono failed me. I've tried different knots with the same results, along with various brands.

Do you adjust your hook-set when using FC?

Yes, I actually hit them harder with FC cause of the stretch. Never have had a snap or loss for that matter from FC knot failure. I use through eye twice 6 turn uni knot.

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What brand fluoro are you having issues with?

Maybe try a better brand if it's not a good one already. I use the uni knot with 5-8 turns depending on what size line I'm using. I've had a few break offs but most of the time it's from not retying. I strictly use Sunline Sniper.

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Good suggestions already. My thoughts when I read the question was, what brand of line? What knot? Are you wetting the line and tightening it slowly?

 

When a good fluoro is tied with a good knot for fluoro and wet and cinched down slowly, your issue does not happen. Even when I drop down to 10 or 12 pound fluoro for fishing jigs in clear water it doesn't happen and I don't tone my hooksets down any. 

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Gary Klein will show you how to tie a flouro knot that is very good.

 

 

/www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE3OXADeadw

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But quality line

Learn San Diego jam knot

Any break offs after that is either a bad spool or user error.

you don't need to adjust your hookset.

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Seems I read somewhere that you don't cinch the knot down as tight as you do mono, if you do you are damaging the line. I just wet the knot and snug it down. I don't try to get it tight as I can. I have never broke off at the knot with fluoro and I set the hook hard as I do mono.

 

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Avoid the cheap FC lines I had that same problem.

I tie the knot most of the way then dunk it in the water before I cinch it down.  I wish I could agree with Bluebasser on 10# test for single hook applications, but last week I had two break offs on the hookset.  I stay in the 12-15# range for t-rigging.  

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As already mentioned, this should not be happening with any regularity. Either isolate the issue to a specific bad spool (or brand) of line, or double check your knot and tying method.  I use a lot of fluoro from 2# up to 20# test, straight and as leaders, and have only once ran into the issue described, and it turned out to be a bad spool/brand issue. 

 

-T9

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As stated, knots are very important with floro. Find one that works for you and the floro, then wet it when pulling tight. This will cure your issues.

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Joe

The best advise I can give you other than what already has been said, is that when tying a knot useing flouro make ABSOLUTELY sure that the wraps you use to tie any knot, are not over lapping each other.

A lot of folks make that mistake and some can get away with it, but it is critical that the wraps lay flat next to each while wrapping and cinching useing flouro of any make or size.

Mike

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Do you generously wet your knot before clinching?

This and I also use a San Diego Knot.  If you think it's wet, wet it some more...and pull slowly then wet the knot right before you pull it tight.

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Thanks a bunch everyone.  I can eliminate the line issue as I've tried a number of brands,10lb.-12lb. as that's what I use for cranking. I'll be concentrating on my knot tying, I'd been using a straight uni, but my first attempt is going to be the Fishin' Fool knot which is basically doubling the line through the eye first.  Plenty of time to experiment and practice over the winter. :(

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Gary Klein will show you how to tie a flouro knot that is very good.

 

 

/www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE3OXADeadw

 

X 1,000,000

 

I started using this knot about a year ago and "knock on wood", I have never broke off with it. Super strong knot and I use it with fluoro, braid, mono, and copoly.

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Thanks a bunch everyone.  I can eliminate the line issue as I've tried a number of brands,10lb.-12lb. as that's what I use for cranking. I'll be concentrating on my knot tying, I'd been using a straight uni, but my first attempt is going to be the Fishin' Fool knot which is basically doubling the line through the eye first.  Plenty of time to experiment and practice over the winter. :(

 

Try using some chap stick on your flouro before tightening your knot. It lubes much better than spit. Also tighten the knot slowly to minimize burning the line. 

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Try using some chap stick on your flouro before tightening your knot. It lubes much better than spit. Also tighten the knot slowly to minimize burning the line. 

Never thought of that, but may give it a shot.....thanks Hootie

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That knot that Gary Klein demonstrated has been called by many different names, including the Jimmy Houston knot (LOL). It's a pitzen tied with the double line. Simple enough for me as I've been tying the single strand version for years.  Looks like my second option.

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I find all the terminal knot debate, whether mono or FC, to be sort of off the target.  With either, I find the simple clinch knot will work fine, or maybe the improved clinch if you want to be more careful, if you use about 7 or 8 honest twists, then lubricate, then with your fingernail, as you are tensioning the knot, help the coils to get in order near the lure .  Then, do a slow, very strong, "proof load" on the knot to "set" the coils against each other.  That knot will work.  No need to adust anything in your fishing technique.

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I always had such a huge problem with line burn and line breaking at the knot using a double-uni on a braid to fluoro connection that I just started to use a tiny barrel swivel.  Haven't had any line breaking issues since using palomars each way.

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